Madonna: bitch got mad flow

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Is that in reference to my mom? That's not cool. Actually, someone did sabotage her car once, but that's a story that's totally off-topic beyond anything else I've said so far on this thread.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nothing about the new Madonna record is classic or dud enough to even merit judgement. Mediocrity, most fully realized. Yawn. However, I too appreciate the remark about lines from her songs inducing a regular bowel movement.

― maria b (maria b), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

of course Snatch is ridiculous...thats not much of a flaw really, altho certainly there are several things wrong with the film. still i enjoy it like the curmudgeon i am.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

You people are all insane.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

I know you are but what am I?

From what I've heard of the album, incidentally, all the songs are basically very similar to American Life, sans rap. The cover art really irritates me.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

madonna has been studying kaballah.

― keith (keithmcl), Monday, 21 April 2003 00:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

It reminds me of the Simpsons in the later seasons when they went meta: the rap has this jokey "isn't this crap?" vibe that still doesn't excuse the fact that it's crap.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 21 April 2003 01:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

As I am ranting on AIM, the problem is that stuff like "Get Into the Groove" sounds hot as hell at the moment and new Madonna work feels to me like a pizza turning up at your house after you've already eaten the one you ordered, I mean why bother, she's already hip, stop trying to sell shit records off the back of that. Why is she reinventing herself when history has reinvented herself for her.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 01:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ronan is otm, nothing off of her albums w/Mirwais sound half as now as "Into the Groove". But that might just be cause I'm an old fogey.

― Nicole (Nicole), Monday, 21 April 2003 01:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

No you're right! unless I am an old fogey.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 01:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

The proof: more people get up and dance in bars when you play old Madonna than when you play something off of Music.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 01:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah i agree fully about reusing mirwais, it sounds stale. she should have worked with roll deep instead.

― minna (minna), Monday, 21 April 2003 01:29 (twenty-one years ago) link

What a hilarious "rap."

― David Allen, Monday, 21 April 2003 01:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

New madonna is just shite, like I wasn't joking about wanting to care, it's like getting primetime advertising and smacking your audience around the head with a stick.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 01:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Now you're exaggerating.

― Sean (Sean), Monday, 21 April 2003 01:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ronan, Ally and Nicole are all OTM. Perhaps the problem w/ Madonna is that she's still trying to sound like the future, but I think the idea of pop as the future is pretty much out at the moment, since about 2000 maybe. She would have been better served going the Kylie route and just returning to dance-pop wholeheartedly (like, obv. stuff like "Music" and "Impressive Instant" would have been brill if they weren't so nudge-nudge-wink-wink; instead they are rub, maybe not so much the former but especially the latter).

Which producers *should* Madonna be working with? My vote goes to The Modernist - Madonna would be great at stuff like "All Around (Everybody's Kissing)". Or Shakedown! Prickly house-pop - yes!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 21 April 2003 01:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think I'd have liked to see her ridicule herself with Gonzales or someone, but I guess that's not plausible.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 02:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

... but Ronan surely Madonna is already ridiculing herself and this is the VERY PROBLEM?!!??!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 21 April 2003 02:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perhaps the problem w/ Madonna is that she's still trying to sound like the future
yes i think that is it... and its funny, too, because, well, remember her getting some flack about "going electronica" for ray of light, but, shit, "bedtime stories" still sounds fresh as hell, and "deeper and deeper" is still an amazing house record, really one of the best from the 90s i think. compared to this new record, the old ones sound almost effortless.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 21 April 2003 03:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally I've blown up a car before. If you have problems, call me. I'll "solve 'em."

― hstencil, Monday, 21 April 2003 04:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

So check out the beat, while the DJ revolves 'em.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 21 April 2003 04:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Say this for her -- it was not immediately obvious in 1983 that in 20 years people would be carrying on long discussions about her ouevre.

― JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 21 April 2003 06:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

??? Ally that's no reference to your mom (something you mentioned on ILE? I don't read ILE), only to that Mini you wanted to blow up. I've got no idea what you mean, but I wasn't referring to anything else, no offence...(i really should stay out of theads like these I guess).

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 21 April 2003 10:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeh lets not forget Madonna is some 10 years older than Kylie so it'd tougher for her to go back to simple disco-y pop - i think if nothing else Kylie pulls it off because she looks better now than she ever has in her life, and still very youthful but Madonna has quite visibly aged so anything she does that purports to be hip is going to seem more contrived anyway.

everyone in the last 20 posts OTM anyway

and SIgebran you should read ILE sometime ;)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 10:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes Tim but knowingly ridicule herself!

Shakedown is a good idea yeah, though she doesn't have the voice it still might work.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 11:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Other ideas that might work (artistically and commercially):

Sami Liuski (Bangkok Impact)
Danny Wolfers (Legowelt)
Tom Middleton
Gigi d'Agostino (ha! even more vocoders!)
Inga Humpe & Tommi Eckart (2Raumwohnung)
Thomas Brückner (Tomcraft)
Tom Holkenberg (Junkie XL)
Josh Gabriel
Marc Arcadipane (ok maybe not...)

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

PEACHES! (er maybe not)

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Strokes!

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha now the obvious ones

She should work with Felix Da Housecat, brilliant.

She should work with the Neptunes, magnificent.

She should work with Timbaland, eclectic.

She should work with P Diddy, he has always been all about the Madonna.

Black Strobe, DFA, Trevor Jackson, Thomas Bangalter, DJ Sneak?

Jacques Lu Cont is an obvious one but it might have been ok, he could have brought her back to the 80s.

Really though she should have worked with that new french act Lacquer before they released anything!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

??? Ally that's no reference to your mom (something you mentioned on ILE?

Siegram, my post was referencing the post immediately preceding yours (!!!). ILE not necessary!

P. Diddy + Madonna would be the shit.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

P. Diddy + Madonna would be shit.

― maria b (maria b), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

she could sample her own trax and do her own annie's the greatest hit

― minna (minna), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

madonna + metro area

― minna (minna), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

the next level of daft punk = their madonna album

― minna (minna), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Madonna should work with Steve Albini at the production helm, and fortify a live-in-the-studio backing band consisting of Ted Parsons (ex-Prong/Swans/Godflesh) on drums, Dave Greenfield of the Stranglers on keyboards, Cripple Jim "Phylr" Coleman (ex-Cop Shoot Cop) on samples and tapes, Paul Raven of Killing Joke/Prong on bass and guitar duties shared by Andy Gill (Gang of Four), Geordie K. Walker (Killing Joke) and....coaxed out of retirement via Yankees season tickets....Johnny Ramone.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think i'd rather Madonna stopped making music then work with most of the producers listed above. as good as most of them are, why 'sell their souls' this way? why offer up their talents to an artist rapidly approaching has-been/knackers yard status - would they come out of it better than her? Liam Howlett and Aphex Twin both turned her down in the past and i kinda respect them for doing so. i think it was good for William Orbit to work with her as he needed to step back into that pop domain again...shame he never cooked something like 'Fascinating Rhythm' up for much tho.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

In all seriousness, she should drop her acoustic guitar fixation. No one's buying it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also, she's a hack. And a has-been.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean, these are her Jungle Room years.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha, if only Madonna had gone into the Jungle room...

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

In all seriousness, she should drop her acoustic guitar fixation

And bring back her cock fixation

― ss, Monday, 21 April 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd say American Life is her Funky Headhunter.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Now THAT'S cold.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

That Steve Albini thing would be aces, man. It sounds totally fresh.

I think Madonna should work with Chaki. And also the Electric Six.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fuck, EVERYONE should work with Chaki.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

She should work with Felix Da Housecat, brilliant.

I think she already did. At least for a remix within the past year or so or something like that.

Maybe the problem is that producers are so intimidated by working with MADONNA that they wind up doing shit work. Or she's intent on being too involved, versus back in the day when her ego was at least the size of Mars versus today (the size of Uranus). And Ronan is OTM up there about old vs. new.

Anyway, I liked Snatch. Second best use of a Stranglers song in a soundtrack (best being Sexy Beast, of course). I also like the new Mini Coopers. So sue me!

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Shit just saw that post Ally, indeed its looks quite rude that way - not what I meant at all. ILX really should have nested replies...

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha I was just kidding anyway!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everytime I read the title of this thread ( Madonna: bitch got mad flow) I get the unwelcome image in my head of La Ciccone caught in a torrent of uncontrollable menstruation.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, this thread is now officially disgusting, thank you.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Skipping 57 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

I find the suggestion that she just "came up" with the rap on the spot a bit dubious. I'm not suggesting that it's a particularly complicated bit of poetry, but I just don't believe she 'a total improv.'

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 24 April 2003 23:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Alex, did you miss the "and then I sat down and refined it" part of that quote?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 25 April 2003 01:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh whoops, yeah, I guess I did. Well, regardless.....it still sucks.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 25 April 2003 01:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

'is my song shit/let me work it/I put my thing down and I refine it'

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 25 April 2003 02:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I really wish that it was as good as her description was. I mean, in theory, "Oh, I like coffee, I will write about that!" is the best song ever. Where did it go wrong?

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 25 April 2003 03:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

i was really hoping this thread would be about how madonna suffers from heavy periods.

― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 26 April 2003 02:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I already made that joke!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 26 April 2003 03:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

John Norris: bitch got mad flow

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 26 April 2003 03:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Look! Alex has webpage now!

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 26 April 2003 03:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

damm, my skimreading is obviously crappity.

― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 26 April 2003 04:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

Mad Flo:

http://www.kissdominion.com/GNFLO.JPG

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 26 April 2003 04:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

They've got one of those for everyone don't they?

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 26 April 2003 04:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

four weeks pass...

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE THIS MOMENT TO SAY I JUST SAW THE LATEST MADONNA SONG ON TOTP AND IT WAS FUCKING GREAT.

― di smith (lucylurex), Saturday, 24 May 2003 06:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

i still prefer the multibabel version of these lyrics.

― gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 24 May 2003 07:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...

she could sample her own trax and do her own annie's the greatest hit

oh. she did this ('into the hollywood groove' ft missy elliott). oh well. hi madonna!!! (if ur still reading this)

― minna (minna), Wednesday, 6 August 2003 10:35 (twenty years ago) link

three years pass...

I've come to accept that I like this song.

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 03:01 (seventeen years ago) link

she should recut a version that gives a shoutout to h & m

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

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