― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 12:32 (twenty-one years ago) link
― forbidden or obsolete (24 hour troubleshooter), Sunday, 2 February 2003 13:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 2 February 2003 16:11 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 2 February 2003 16:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
And why isn't anybody acknowledging that Sab's Steakhouse went under several different managment teams?
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 2 February 2003 23:42 (twenty-one years ago) link
I only have Paranoid. It's good in its way but I dunno. All these reasons people give against Zeppelin - the acoustic tracks, the voice, 'hippie wank' - are a big part of why I'd give it to them. (I actually don't know that Ozzy's voice added all that much while Plant was great. And the lyrics suck.) Layered studio guitar pop = greatest music ever anyway. If it was just "Dancing Days" vs all the Sabbath I've listened to, I think I'd still hand it to Zeppelin. The versatility thing goes a long way. And influencing "More Than a Feeling" honestly means more to me than influencing every thrash and death metal band ever.
Though I wonder if Purple would actually deserve this if I knew them better. They were probably the best musicians of the bunch.
(LZ's faults: their jams sucked, the first two albums are stupidly sloppy, the third and PG are hit-and-miss, Houses actually feels bloated and excessive and campy and all the things prog is supposed to be, I couldn't be bothered with Presence beyond "Achilles' Last Stand", the chest-thumping machismo and misogyny esp in earlier stuff which is probably better anyway can get in the way if I'm not in the mood, why did it seem logical to mix boozy blues-rock with medieval prog tracks?, now that I've seen a LOTR movie some of those songs seem a little less mysterious and evil.)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:03 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
"Changes" is not "War Pigs" is not most of the second side of Sabotage -- the underrating of early Sabbath's versatility is getting frustrating here.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 00:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
Don't forget Technical Ecstacy.
Most of Sab's diverse moments I've heard were either rather trivial, extremely short or straight out sucked. Led on the other hand...
Kashmir vs. Supertzar.
Let's just put it that way.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 3 February 2003 01:05 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 01:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Juan (Juan), Monday, 3 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― shane, Saturday, 30 August 2003 03:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 30 August 2003 03:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 30 August 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
and i'm beginning to reconsider my vote fer sabbath b/c THEY DID NOT HAVE THE FUNK ... while zeppelin DID.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link
i still think that mistah sinkah said it best ... "led zep = layered stuido-pop written played by bubblegum session musicians, sung by a hobbit muthafucka; sabbath = rewrite of laws of music hurrah (with silliness thinly smeared on top to confuse fools)."
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Piers (piers), Thursday, 28 October 2004 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Prehistoric Hobbit, Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link
I don't know. Sabbath actually sound more like early Funkadelic to me than Zep does. "Super Stupid" could almost be a Sabbath song.
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link
I think the Funkadelic comparision is a particularly good one, myself.
― M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link
Listen to "Supernaut" again.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link
Misty Mountain HopDancing DaysCustard PieCandy Store RockRoyal OrleansOut on the TilesHouses of the HolyHots On For Nowhere...
fuck, ALL of it. that's why they were the best.
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Tad's right that they're pretty different. Esp post-II, Zep aren't even really 'heavy' at all, more like blues- and folk-rock with a serious avant/improv/sometimes-proggish bent, this wacked-out funky fusion act. I think I mentioned before that I sometimes think you can hear more of them today in stuff that's associated with jazz (and maybe in pop-rock!) than in heavy rock.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Why do people seem to complain so much more about their LOTR- or mythology-based lyrics (which I prefer to the LOTR movies) than their overtly misogynist songs? Does the latter just seem obvious?
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 29 October 2004 05:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 29 October 2004 07:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 29 October 2004 07:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 29 October 2004 07:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Friday, 29 October 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link
A couple obvious examples: "Dazed and Confused" ("soul of a woman was created below"), "Whole Lotta Love" ("I'm gonna send you back to schoolin'"), "Black Dog" ("I don't know but I been told a big-legged woman ain't got no soul"). I love all these songs but if anything, these seem more problematic than the LOTR-ish lyrics, which I kind of like.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link
(Actually, that's another issue unto itself that you raise)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link
WHO REALLY SAID THAT JIMMI WAS TONY'S DADDY.IF YOU REALLY LISTEN TO JIMMIS SOLOS ARE PRETTY DIRTY AND JIMMI HAD TO USED TO GUITARS TO SOUND LIKE ONE THATS WHAT COULD I SAY GREAT. WHIILETONY DID NOT HAD FINGER TIPS AND ONLY USE ONE GUITAR TO SOUND LIKE TWO OKAY. yOU SHOULD LISTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE SOME SABBATH SO YOU COULD GET A BETTER OPINION i KNOW YOU GUYS LIKE ZEPPELIN BUT YOU GOTA OPEN YOUR MIND AND LISTEN TO MORE MUSIC. LISTEN TO
PARANOID,WARPIGS,FAIRY WERA BOOTS,RAT SALAD,NIB,IRON MAN,SWEATLEAF,SNOWBLIND,SUPERNAT,THE WIZARD,SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH I COULD JUST KEEP ON GOING DONT BE IGNORENT AND LISTEN TO ONE EXPLORE DIFFERENT TYPE OF MUSIC THERE'S MORE BANDS THAT PEOPLE DONT MENTION.BLACK SABBATH WAS ACTUALLY CONSIDER LIKE UNDER GROUND BAND NO GONE WANTED TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO PLAY IN THEIR STAGE AND THEY STILL MADE IT WHILE LED ZAPPELIN ALL THE OPUTUNITIES BUT IF IT WASNT FOR THAT ZAPPELIN WAS NOTHING COMPARE TO SABBATHI COULD TALK SHIT ABOUT LED ZAPPELIN THAT AINT GANA GET NO WERE...........
― MYER, Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link
-- mark s (mar...), November 25th, 2001.
I think this might actually be the greatest single sentence review on ILX.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link
Without warning A wizard walks by
Is it normal for there to be a warning when a wizard walks by? Perhaps someone comes along ringing a bell and shouts, 'He ye! Hear ye! A wizard will soon be walking by!' But in this case, it didn't happen: there was no warning. The wizard just walked by and took everyone by surprise.
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link
"heavy boots of leadfills his victims full of dreadrunning as fast as they caniron man lives again!"
-- which are either the SILLIEST lyrics evah AND/OR the GREATEST lyrics evah!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, maybe he was a crafty wizard, UNBELIEVER.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:51 (nineteen years ago) link
wait is jimbeaux a much more personable bill magill
. . .
that's cool
― mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2022 00:29 (two years ago) link
calstars just fyi you are being an asshole again
― mookieproof, Monday, 2 May 2022 00:33 (two years ago) link
Bill would never ever take Sabbath over Zep
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Monday, 2 May 2022 00:46 (two years ago) link
ah shit.I meant the exactly opposite
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Monday, 2 May 2022 00:47 (two years ago) link
Lol sorry 🤔😆
― calstars, Monday, 2 May 2022 00:49 (two years ago) link
Still curious if halfway has -any experience playing music
― calstars, Monday, 2 May 2022 00:51 (two years ago) link
I do, even in bands, and I don't understand this insistence that musicians stay in their lane. Like Don Henley is a mediocre drummer who also sings and writes, but the singing and writing doesn't make him a worse drummer than he already is.I may also be influenced by Martin Popoff's reviews of Bill Ward's solo records (which I haven't heard) to the effect that he is only member of Sabbath still guided by his muse and pushing his artistic frontiers, etc.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 2 May 2022 01:36 (two years ago) link
But taking a new approach to the thread question:
Funniest Zeppelin tune: "The Crunge"Funniest Sabbath tune: "Blow On a Jug"
OK, Sabbath wins hands down.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 2 May 2022 01:39 (two years ago) link
Bill Magill is an OK name.
Don't get me wrong, I love both bands. But, gun to my head, I'll take Zeppelin.
My musician son and I have an ongoing debate: Tony Iommi vs. Dimebag Darrell. I"m on Team Iommi.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 2 May 2022 13:36 (two years ago) link
Right because drummers are supposed to write songs
Neil Peart to thread
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 00:34 (two years ago) link
I definitely don't think the Dio albums (aka Geezer and the Italians per Oz) are crap.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:32 (two years ago) link
I remember buying Heaven and Hell when it came out. I was very pleasantly surprised. It still holds up OK. Mob Rules is forgettable other than the title track. The rest . . . meh. 13 was surprisingly good, if only because it sounds like a Sabbath album, albeit a very tired one.
To his credit, Dio, unlike, say, Sammy Hagar, did not try to overshadow or denigrate his predecessor. He seemed like a solid dude and a really good singer. I saw him with his own band once at the state fairgrounds and it was a decent show. At least they didn't open for a puppet show.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:38 (two years ago) link
Great Sabbath albums:
s/tParanoidMaster of RealityVol. 4Sabbath Bloody SabbathSabotageHeaven and HellMob RulesThe Devil You Know
Great Led Zeppelin albums:IIIVDisc 1 of Physical Graffiti
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:46 (two years ago) link
Good lord
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:47 (two years ago) link
yeah gun to my head it’s prob Zep, even if I kind of overdid it with them in hs & college
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 02:04 (two years ago) link