Kendrick Lamar will kill your favorite rapper for money

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haha i was gonna say that's such a post-'08 wayne kind of pun

some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link

really though WHY is "cartoon & cereal" not on this? why?

lex pretend, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

i don't see the big deal about it being left off. i don't really get why in this era we really need songs to be on albums. we all have that song, it has its own, uh, legacy or w/e. it still exits & we can all still play it at our leisure.

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

even the duller songs on here... still worth it for his unpredictable flow.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link

I wish Cartoon & Cereal was on here in the place of Real.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 19 October 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link

i think i read somewhere that the cartoon sample in cartoon & cereal couldn't be cleared...

sisilafami, Friday, 19 October 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link

that would make sense

Cap'n Hug-a-Thug (The Reverend), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link

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let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Friday, 19 October 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link

otm

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:01 (eleven years ago) link

Well it's not just one sample but many. All the little cartoon samples were too much work to clear and Kendrick didn't want to use it without them is what my guy tells me.

Do you guys think the concept/story thing lifts this or keeps it back though? I'm undecided. (Not that it matters much.)

Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link

it has a concept?

j., Friday, 19 October 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link

It has a story that evolves from track to track. There's this huge nerdy thing explaining it all that I could copy paste if anyone's interested.

Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link

develops i mean

Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link

Sure why not.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:11 (eleven years ago) link

ok. This has been floating around. I don't know who made it but no one seems to be complaining about its accuracy:

this is the story of the album..

Good Kid, M.A.A.D City: A Short Film by Kendrick Lamar

Setting: Compton

Characters:

Kendrick Lamar (present Kendrick)
K.Dot (young Kendrick)
Sherane
Kendrick's Mother
Kendrick's Father
Dave
Dave's brother
Keisha's sister
Demetrius (Sherane's favourite cousin)
The Two Brothers (Sherane's younger brothers)
Granny (Sherane's Granny who she lives with)
Sherane's Mother (a crack addict)
Uncle Tony (Kendrick's Uncle who was killed)
Joey (either childhood friend of Kendrick or cousin)
L, Boog, Yaya, Lucky (friends/family members of Kendrick when he was 9)

The Story:

Sherane aka Master Splinter's Daughter

The story opens as a flash-forward. K.Dot has known Sherane for a number of months by this point. He met her at a party where they flirted and exchanged numbers. They kept in contact with each other over the summer and got to know each other pretty well, he talks about her family's history of gang-banging that made him wary but didn't stop him from hooking up with her.

At the end of this song K.Dot is driving to Sherane's house in his Mother's van, he has sex on the brain. But when he turns up Sherane is outside waiting with two dudes in black hoodies (possibly her two younger brothers, or her cousins, one of which could be Demetrius).

Skit #1 - as K.Dot pulls up at Sherane's house his Mother tries to call him but instead gets his voice-mail. We learn from his Mother that K.Dot said he was borrowing her van for just 15 minutes. She warns him not to mess with “them hoodrats” especially “Sherane”.

****, Don't Kill My Vibe

The content of this song doesn't actually follow the Sherane narrative. It is a song told from the perspective of Kendrick Lamar the rapper and how as he gradually gets more recognition as an artist he sees people around him changing, "I can feel the new people around me just want to be famous." He also talks about trying to maintain his credibility while becoming a more mainstream artist, "I'm trying to keep it alive and not compromise the feeling we love/You trying to keep it deprived and only co-sign what radio does."

Skit #2 – The narrative begins. K.Dot's homies pick him up in their white Toyota with a pack of blacks and a beat CD.

Backseat Freestyle

The most self-explantory song on the album. Young K.Dot cruising around town with his homies, getting high and dropping freestyles in the backseat. This is a life is good moment, living free, no troubles. The calm before the storm.

The Art of Peer Pressure

The narrative begins to build. The pressures of hanging with the homies becomes more than simply having a laugh and freestyling. The usually drug free and sober K.Dot is brought in to a world of drinking, smoking, and violence when with “the homies”. Cruising around in a white Toyota, hitting up girls, jumping dudes wearing rival colours, and bragging about what they just did.

The stakes are upped when K.Dot and his homies rob a house that they had been stalking for two months. Cops pursue them but lose them.

Skit #3 - The homies talk about dropping K.Dot off back at home, so he can take his Mother's van and go hit up Sherane – and then they can all meet back up later on the block.

Money Trees

K.Dot recaps the story so far.

He talks about robbing the house, "Home invasion was persuasive/From 9 to 5 I know its vacant."

He mentions ****ing Sherane and bragging about it to his homies, "I ****ed Sherane then went to tell my bros."

He references Backseat Freestyle when he talks about rhyming to beats, "Parked the car and then we started rhyming, ya bish/The only thing we had to free our mind."

And he talks about jumping dudes who looked like they had more money than them, "Then freeze that verse when we see dollar signs/You looking like an easy come up ya bish/A silver spoon I know you come from ya bish."

The line in the chorus "Everybody gon' respect the shooter/But the one in front of the gun lives forever." is deeply important, not just as a life motto, but in regards to the events that later take place in this story regarding Dave and his brother. It's also a reference to Kendrick's Uncle Tony, who was shot and killed at Louie's Burgers; this event is a snap back to reality from the "dreams of living life like rappers do."

Skit #4– K.Dot's Mother leaves another voice-mail. She wants her car back.

Poetic Justice

K.Dot has been dropped off back at home by his homies and is about to go see Sherane. He's probably driving on the way there in his Mother's van. He talks about her and their relationship so far - it appears they may have had some arguments, he talks about her meeting up with her girlfriends to curse him, and going out partying rather than talking with him.

Skit #5 – this is when we catch up with Sherane aka Master Splinter's Daughter. It starts where Sherane ended, and you can tell because that haunting female vocal (used in the beat to Sherane) comes back in this skit. The two dudes with Sherane approach K.Dot and ask him where he and his family are from (trying to work out what gang he is affiliated with). They force K.Dot out of the van and jump him.

Good Kid

This really sets off the theme of the second half of the album and it is all to do with - realisation.

K.Dot talks about getting jumped, "For the record I recognize that I'm easy prey/I got ate alive yesterday."

He discusses the negative effects of gang-culture, and being unable to escape the pressure of people wanting to know what gang he represents, "But what am I supposed to do/When the topic is red or blue/And you understand that I ain't/But know I'm accustomed to." Red or Blue obviously refers to the LA gangs of Bloods and Crips.

The red and the blue in the second verse become police sirens. K.Dot talks about getting no sympathy from the cops because they stereotype him as a gang-banger, making him lift up his shirt in order to look for a gang affiliated tattoo, "I heard them chatter: "He's probably young but I know that he's down"/Step on his neck as hard as your bullet proof vest."

K.Dot is trapped in a violent culture and can't get a reprieve from the gangs or the police.

M.A.A.D City

More self-awareness and realisation of the corrupt city that K.Dot lives in.

K.Dot's recent beat-down brings back early memories of similar situations, witnessing someone with their brains blown out at a burger stand back when he was 9 (I'm not sure if he is talking about his Uncle Tony again, or someone else), he thinks he knows the person who did it but he censors his name. He also talks about how his cousin was killed back in 94.

He talks about his Father telling him to get a job but he got fired after his friends pressured him in to staging a robbery. He gives his reason for why he doesn't smoke when he tells a story of smoking marijuana laced with cocaine and "foaming at the mouth."

In the final verse he tries to let the good shine through and offer respite for the youth and how they don't have to succumb to the temptations and pressures of the street. He hopes that his experience and intelligence can do good for the youth living in similar situations. "Compton, USA Made me an Angel on Angel Dust."

Skit #6 – K.Dot's homies meet back up with him later as planned. They try to boost him back up after his beat-down, and they offer him alcohol to take his mind off it.

Swimming Pools

An anti-alcohol song, that again plays in to the second half of the album's realisation about the vices previously holding Kendrick back. Kedrick talks about growing up around alcohol both within his family and group of friends.

Skit #7 – this is the big impact moment of the narrative. The plan is to take revenge on the dudes that jumped K.Dot. One of K.Dot's homies (possibly Dave) talks about maybe dropping K.Dot back off at home, but this idea is turned down, and K.Dot stays. The homies see the dudes that jumped K.Dot and a shoot-out begins. During the battle K.Dot's friend Dave gets shot. The dudes that shot Dave drive off and K.Dot is left holding Dave as he dies in his arms.

Sing About Me

Verse 1 – from the perspective of Dave's brother. He says the blood is on Kendrick's hands because the whole situation happened out of revenge for something that happened to Kendrick. But he says he appreciates that Kendrick was there for his brother and held him while he was dying. Dave's brother wonders if he will ever discover a passion like Kendrick to get him out of the hood – he says he hopes Kendrick will remember him and sing about him when he makes it big, and if he dies before the album drops...pop, pop, pop – he gets killed.

Verse 2 – from the perspective of Keisha's sister. She is mad at Kendrick for putting her sister on blast (on Section 80) without even knowing her properly. She talks about how she is living the same life as her sister, as a prostitute, and is proud of her living and what she does. She claims not to be just another woman lost in the system. She says her sister died in vein. Unlike Dave's brother she doesn't want to be sang about on the album. She feels great and says she'll never fade away....but then she does, her vocals slowly fade out in to obscurity...perhaps she died or just became another nameless "hoodrat".

Verse 3 – from Kendrick's perspective. Looking in the mirror. His fear of death. He speaks to Dave's brother, agreeing that Dave was like a brother to him. He speaks to Keisha's sister saying that Keisha's story was the one that drove him to write something that powerful and real – he didn't mean to offend. He talks of how music saved him and pulled him away from the drugs, money and guns.

Skit #8 – K.Dot's homies talking after Dave has been killed. Some of them want to go back and get revenge. K.Dot finally snaps and says he is tired of this ****.

I'm Dying of Thirst

Kendrick talks about been tired of running and gunning people down. It's just a circle of death. The perpetual struggle.

Skit #9 – K.Dot returns home, still angry and upset over Dave's death. Him or one of his homies have a gun with them that his Mother sees “That better not be what I think it is.” she says. She tells them that they are dying of thirst and that they need to take a new path and let Jesus in to their lives. She makes them prayer. From here on K.Dot begins to live a new life as Kendrick Lamar.

Real

This is Kendrick disregarding the street life and turning his back on gang-banging, drugs, alcohol, violence etc. The different meanings of being “real”. Are you real because you represent your hood and shoot people? Are you real because you try to escape that life and make something of yourself?

Verse 1 – about certain girls (but could be Sherane). She loves handbags, French Tip, bank slips. But what love got to do with it when you don't love yourself?

Verse 2 – about certain homies (but could be Dave's brother). He loves fast cars, fast women, beef, streets, ducking police, hood-life. But what love got to do with it when you don't love yourself?

Verse 3 – about Kendrick. He explains the previous two verses - “I love first verse cos your the girl I attract.” and “I love second verse cos your the homie that packed burner.” “I love what the both of you have to offer.”

He wonders if he should hate her for what happened or should he hate his homies for convincing him to seek revenge. Or should he hate the fact that none of that **** makes him real.

Skit #10 – voice-mail from his Father. He tells Kendrick not to make the same mistakes he did, and that none of this stuff makes him real and that he should get out and make something of himself. His Mother tells him that Top Dawg called and wants him in the studio – she tells him to take his music career seriously – that it is his chance to get out and tell his story to the kids of Compton so that they have hope. This is technically the end of the story in a narrative sense - the tape is ejected and then rewound.

Compton

The narrative is over. This song is after Kendrick has made it and is now giving back just like his Mother told him too. It's a positive outlook of a city that is often full of darkness and violence.

Skit #11 - the narrative starts over again when K.Dot borrows his Mother's van.

Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link

too long, didn't download

let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:19 (eleven years ago) link

lol

Gelados n cream (longneck), Friday, 19 October 2012 22:22 (eleven years ago) link

Thanks, will read it later.

Spottie_Ottie_Dope, Friday, 19 October 2012 22:25 (eleven years ago) link

I don't want to push the Outkast comparisons too far but his relaxed-but-engaged intricate-but-simple storytelling does give off strong Andre3000 vibes to me. And not as in "this guy sure has been studying Andre" - more as in "finally, someone else who can do that".

Gelados n cream (longneck), Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link

i get more Tech N9ne vibes off his high concept hyper technical nonsense

some dude, Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link

Foul.

Gelados n cream (longneck), Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link

i thought he was just sharing his thoughts about his life and stuff

j., Saturday, 20 October 2012 00:29 (eleven years ago) link

the middle section of the album is stunning - esp "good kid and "m.a.ad city" - but i am not here for tedious concern trolling about prostitutes or the stoners' whine of the "bitch don't kill my vibe" hook

lex pretend, Sunday, 21 October 2012 09:22 (eleven years ago) link

I really how that's a wc and the m.a.a.d circle reference

terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:17 (eleven years ago) link

Hope

terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:17 (eleven years ago) link

how can it not be ?

sisilafami, Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link

Fucking love this start to finish.

Matt DC, Sunday, 21 October 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link

the strings on 'B.D.K.M.V.' are really nice

boxall, Sunday, 21 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

i really dislike compton & the mary j track.

sisilafami, Sunday, 21 October 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link

agh i'm not finding this anywhere

flopson, Sunday, 21 October 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link

but i am not here for tedious concern trolling about prostitutes

his "plight of a woman" songs are really the worst, although the one on this isn't as bad as "no makeup" or "keisha's song" were on section.80. i suspect he thinks he's doing modern "brenda's got a baby" or something but it just comes off as the worst kind of lupe fiasco horseshit

no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 21 October 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link

i really dislike compton & the mary j track.

― sisilafami, Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:15 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agreed

fanute da croupier (D-40), Sunday, 21 October 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link

but i am not here for tedious concern trolling about prostitutes or the stoners' whine of the "bitch don't kill my vibe" hook

― lex pretend, Sunday, 21 October 2012 10:22 (9 hours ago) Bookmark

sorry but if you ask me this is a really shallow kind of "everything is fodder for my unique brand of stand up comedy" crit. not saying dude is the most nuanced spokesperson of all time but he's not drake either, he's not glib or patronising and to an extent these songs are undercut with a degree of selfawareness of the compromises of his narratorial perspective. (his prostitute rages back at him for getting involved and misrepresenting, even explicitly throws 'brenda's got a baby' at him if we wanna play that game)

'bitch don't kill my vibe' is dull out of context sure but on this album establishes the mindset the subsequent tracks grow out of - it's not useless wallowing in the same way i dead ocean & solange et al for

likewise 'compton' p much sux on its own but has merit as a quasi-victory lap wrap up closer imo

r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link

mary j?

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

i get more Tech N9ne vibes off his high concept hyper technical nonsense

― some dude, Saturday, 20 October 2012 01:20 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Foul.

― Gelados n cream (longneck), Saturday, 20 October 2012 01:23 (Yesterday) Bookmark

lol this is trademark cynical gamesmanship but probably within the foul borderline

r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

"bitch don't kill my vibe" has maybe the best beat on the album

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

i'm kinda on the fence as regards the question of 'cartoon and cereal' being on here (if it was it'd be in the first third, replacin'g real' makes no damn sense) - it has complicated parental/generational issues that might make the album more powerful and personal but also undoubtedly more inchoate and idk if that's a worthwhile tradeoff

r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

I love Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe.

Compton works better in the context of the album than on its own.

Mary J kinda ruins the Mary J song though. That's the one false note on the album to me.

O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

the mary j track is a bonus track that i dont consider part of the album proper so it doesnt really count as a down note but its worth observign

fanute da croupier (D-40), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link

Gaga was on BDKMV but they took her off, btw.

O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

interesting. i sorta like the singer on there now... sorta gives the track a a badu vibe

lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, that's Anna Wise, apparently. She came in when they decided the Gaga version didn't quite work.

Speaking of bonus tracks, this The Heart pt 3 is pretty nice. Way better than the MJB one, at least.

O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

xxp yeah i mean dudes spend most of recent years bemoaning the death of the album and now you've got a bona fide crafted one to chew on it's all i dont like this bonus track and i wish they coulda bodged this other track in somehow. which is it to be

r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

To me it's pretty much as perfect as it needs to be either way.

O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link

i cant even really imagine gaga on bdkmv, way unnecessary celebrity wattage

r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link

these songs are undercut with a degree of selfawareness of the compromises of his narratorial perspective. (his prostitute rages back at him for getting involved and misrepresenting, even explicitly throws 'brenda's got a baby' at him if we wanna play that game)

yeah that's why, even if it's one of the weaker songs on here, i'd still take "real" over the similar songs on his last one. it still sorta sticks out as the bum track to me though, even "compton" sounds a little better in context

what do people make of the extended "swimming pools?"

no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link

probably a little heavy in literalising what was already inherent in the normal version (then again how heavy can you be if the track lives on on radio as a crunk anthem regardless?) but a pretty neat bridge into the sherane thing and into what comes next

lots of good little callbacks throughout the album, like (first one that comes to mind) the whole "where your grandma stay huh my nigga" skit coming back screwed as the echoing despotism of 'maad city'

r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

lol 'crunk anthem', song is almost as terrible as "bitch bad" imo

my mansplain songz (some dude), Sunday, 21 October 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

this is maybe a classic

heiswagger (rennavate), Sunday, 21 October 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link

gonna go ahead and ask if anybody can point me to where this is streaming / downloadable

let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 October 2012 23:49 (eleven years ago) link


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