the middle section of the album is stunning - esp "good kid and "m.a.ad city" - but i am not here for tedious concern trolling about prostitutes or the stoners' whine of the "bitch don't kill my vibe" hook
― lex pretend, Sunday, 21 October 2012 09:22 (eleven years ago) link
I really how that's a wc and the m.a.a.d circle reference
― terrell sug (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:17 (eleven years ago) link
Hope
how can it not be ?
― sisilafami, Sunday, 21 October 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link
Fucking love this start to finish.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 21 October 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
the strings on 'B.D.K.M.V.' are really nice
― boxall, Sunday, 21 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
i really dislike compton & the mary j track.
― sisilafami, Sunday, 21 October 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
agh i'm not finding this anywhere
― flopson, Sunday, 21 October 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
but i am not here for tedious concern trolling about prostitutes
his "plight of a woman" songs are really the worst, although the one on this isn't as bad as "no makeup" or "keisha's song" were on section.80. i suspect he thinks he's doing modern "brenda's got a baby" or something but it just comes off as the worst kind of lupe fiasco horseshit
― no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 21 October 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
― sisilafami, Sunday, October 21, 2012 12:15 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Sunday, 21 October 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
but i am not here for tedious concern trolling about prostitutes or the stoners' whine of the "bitch don't kill my vibe" hook
― lex pretend, Sunday, 21 October 2012 10:22 (9 hours ago) Bookmark
sorry but if you ask me this is a really shallow kind of "everything is fodder for my unique brand of stand up comedy" crit. not saying dude is the most nuanced spokesperson of all time but he's not drake either, he's not glib or patronising and to an extent these songs are undercut with a degree of selfawareness of the compromises of his narratorial perspective. (his prostitute rages back at him for getting involved and misrepresenting, even explicitly throws 'brenda's got a baby' at him if we wanna play that game)
'bitch don't kill my vibe' is dull out of context sure but on this album establishes the mindset the subsequent tracks grow out of - it's not useless wallowing in the same way i dead ocean & solange et al for
likewise 'compton' p much sux on its own but has merit as a quasi-victory lap wrap up closer imo
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:12 (eleven years ago) link
mary j?
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
i get more Tech N9ne vibes off his high concept hyper technical nonsense
― some dude, Saturday, 20 October 2012 01:20 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Foul.
― Gelados n cream (longneck), Saturday, 20 October 2012 01:23 (Yesterday) Bookmark
lol this is trademark cynical gamesmanship but probably within the foul borderline
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
"bitch don't kill my vibe" has maybe the best beat on the album
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
i'm kinda on the fence as regards the question of 'cartoon and cereal' being on here (if it was it'd be in the first third, replacin'g real' makes no damn sense) - it has complicated parental/generational issues that might make the album more powerful and personal but also undoubtedly more inchoate and idk if that's a worthwhile tradeoff
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link
I love Bitch Don't Kill My Vibe.
Compton works better in the context of the album than on its own.
Mary J kinda ruins the Mary J song though. That's the one false note on the album to me.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
the mary j track is a bonus track that i dont consider part of the album proper so it doesnt really count as a down note but its worth observign
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
Gaga was on BDKMV but they took her off, btw.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link
interesting. i sorta like the singer on there now... sorta gives the track a a badu vibe
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that's Anna Wise, apparently. She came in when they decided the Gaga version didn't quite work.
Speaking of bonus tracks, this The Heart pt 3 is pretty nice. Way better than the MJB one, at least.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
xxp yeah i mean dudes spend most of recent years bemoaning the death of the album and now you've got a bona fide crafted one to chew on it's all i dont like this bonus track and i wish they coulda bodged this other track in somehow. which is it to be
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
To me it's pretty much as perfect as it needs to be either way.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
i cant even really imagine gaga on bdkmv, way unnecessary celebrity wattage
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
these songs are undercut with a degree of selfawareness of the compromises of his narratorial perspective. (his prostitute rages back at him for getting involved and misrepresenting, even explicitly throws 'brenda's got a baby' at him if we wanna play that game)
yeah that's why, even if it's one of the weaker songs on here, i'd still take "real" over the similar songs on his last one. it still sorta sticks out as the bum track to me though, even "compton" sounds a little better in context
what do people make of the extended "swimming pools?"
― no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Sunday, 21 October 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
probably a little heavy in literalising what was already inherent in the normal version (then again how heavy can you be if the track lives on on radio as a crunk anthem regardless?) but a pretty neat bridge into the sherane thing and into what comes next
lots of good little callbacks throughout the album, like (first one that comes to mind) the whole "where your grandma stay huh my nigga" skit coming back screwed as the echoing despotism of 'maad city'
― r|t|c, Sunday, 21 October 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
lol 'crunk anthem', song is almost as terrible as "bitch bad" imo
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Sunday, 21 October 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
this is maybe a classic
― heiswagger (rennavate), Sunday, 21 October 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link
gonna go ahead and ask if anybody can point me to where this is streaming / downloadable
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 October 2012 23:49 (eleven years ago) link
do u have what
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link
nope
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 21 October 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
should i?
i don't have any invites but yeah it's useful
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
check what i think is your twitter
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
lol, i don't ever look at my twitter! I think i just parked my shit there.anyways, i google-fu'd it. gracias
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 October 2012 00:09 (eleven years ago) link
ok
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 22 October 2012 00:10 (eleven years ago) link
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 21 October 2012 16:14 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah otm, & it kinda exemplifies where the album drifts tonally after.
i love the girl singing the hook on the jam w/jay rock too, idk who it is.i deleted half of this to ensure i go buy it but i'm p sure i love it front to back also.
― *buffs lens* (schlump), Monday, 22 October 2012 01:34 (eleven years ago) link
his "plight of a woman" songs are really the worst, although the one on this isn't as bad as "no makeup" or "keisha's song" were on section.80.
wait, do others here think "keisha's song" sucks? i'm so-so on the hook, but like the verses a lot.
― alpine static, Monday, 22 October 2012 04:30 (eleven years ago) link
nah i think that's just contrarianism on my part
― no love spud webb (fadanuf4erybody), Monday, 22 October 2012 04:58 (eleven years ago) link
it is shallow crit, i've only listened twice! what i specifically found skeevy about the plight-of-a-woman songs is how kendrick goes out of his way to titillate, to sexualise them at the same time as using them as a moral example. he doesn't succeed in humanising sherane, it's like he's fetishising her situation. which is the exact opposite of what pac did on "brenda's got a baby" obv.
"bitch don't kill my vibe" has a nice dreamy beat (not the best on the album though), i was just saying that kendrick's hook is pretty much unlistenable
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 12:10 (eleven years ago) link
the MJB track is terrible, yes
agree that "compton" works in this context, not that i thought it was especially awful anyway
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 12:11 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Monday, October 22, 2012 7:10 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this does not accurately describe how sherane exists on this record
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 22 October 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link
yes it does
― lex pretend, Monday, 22 October 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
i was going to type something else but if you're not going to go beyond "no it doesn't"/"yes it does" i can't be bothered either
I was going to type "no it doesn't" too but then I repented. So please do type it out.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:11 (eleven years ago) link
obviously everyone said this already, but this is great.
― twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link
so i'll just say - LOOK! new song - http://soundcloud.com/topdawgent/kendrick-lamar-the-heart-pt-3
Can we change the title of this thread, y, because it is horrible
― let's have sex and then throw pottery (forksclovetofu), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
predictably, so far I've loved every song on here except for the one with Drake on it
― The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
hilariously awful thread title stays forever imo
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
starting the campaign now for next goon thread to be titled "rolling killing your favorite rapper for money 2013 thread"
― my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link