like the piece contrasting meek/kendrick w/illmatic
got me thinking, in retrospect was illmatic the first album to really do the "let's get individual tracks from a bunch of top producers" template that later became dominant?
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
we def had a convo about that on some rap thread in the last couple years but i can't remember whether people generally agreed w/ that or suggested some precursors
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
i can't really think of anything too obvious....nas also was one of the first rappers i remember who had a huge buzz in advance of his album coming out, i mean not that some ppl didn't have a pre release buzz but the whole album was kind of constructed like it was a "big event" in advance, where all these producers were brought together because nas was already going to be assumed to be a big deal...with i guess his verse of live at the bbq taking the place of what today would be a huge mixtape....
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it's kind of a bummer that a single guest verse so rarely has that kind of impact on a career anymore. now if anything it's about how many guest verses you can do.
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link
does anyone but me and number none think "maad city" is the best song on this or is it too much of an outlier for everyone else? sorta wish he'd rap like that all the time
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
It's close. I still can't shake the impression "Sherane" left on me though.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
"good kid" and "maad city" are the best songs on this imo and it's really not close
― lex pretend, Monday, 29 October 2012 15:59 (eleven years ago) link
Maad City for me too.
― Luchinski pourin' from the sky, let's get rich (what) (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 29 October 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link
"Real" is the only one that annoys me.
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link
whole thing is still all too deliriously good 2 me, can't pick moments yet
― flopson, Monday, 29 October 2012 16:24 (eleven years ago) link
hate every song on this
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 October 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
oh shit real talk just stepped in the thread
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
i would love it if j0rdan wasn't joking
― lex pretend, Monday, 29 October 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
wouldve been more impressed by a kendrick/taylor swift comparison but yeah
http://superworse.com/post/33895017645/arbitrary-pairings-kendrick-lamar-and-taylor-swift
― Mercer Finn, Monday, 29 October 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
easier to admire than enjoy didn't really do it for me either too imprecise
i greatly enjoy admiring this album, i dont think it will get tons of replay but that doesn't necessarily mean it wont be more meaningful to me than records i do play a lot
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
i spent more time *thinking* about it than i do most albums, and not bc i had to write about it or something, but bc it really resonates imo
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
i'm not even as high on it as others but i'm finding it pretty listenable and repeatable - it does keep on giving, lots of things you don't pick up on at first
― lex pretend, Monday, 29 October 2012 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
i don't really like this album all that much and i feel like an asshole
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
same here but those 2 thoughts aren't related for me
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link
Obviously dude has rhymes for days and immeasurable skill and is a gifted storyteller but
*deep breath*
the beats are butter-soft and its seriously like the most overproduced "rap" album since The Love Below, and most of the runtime is eaten up by choruses and bridges that go on forever, forever ever, forever ever; not to mention dude has literally the worst voice in rap history this side of reh dogg (it's Zeldar-meets-Cudi); not to mention that if anyone this side of Lupe dropped a 69-minute "short film" they'd be laughed off ilx; not to mention that there's Beach House samples and a 12-minute song with a Deep Puddle Dynamics title; not to mention that he's completely tuneless KENDRICK HAVE A DRREEAM when he's trying to be Tupac or Kanye or Eminem or whatever.
I dunno, I love the Black Hippy stuff cause it's just rapping and dude can rap \o_O/
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
The comma splice in the 12-minute song hurt you too eh
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think i've ever thought about outkast listening to his stuff. or the roots. stop mentioning outkast. the length thing can definitely be problematic. pretty much no album on earth should be over 45 minutes.
― scott seward, Monday, 29 October 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i only forgive albums for being longer than vinyl-length when they're huge major label investments and it's like well hey you recorded all that stuff, get your money's worth
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
illmatic is under 40 minutes long. even the first outkast album is over an hour long. i blame them for everything.
― scott seward, Monday, 29 October 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
does he ever find the dominoes
― w g sniffy walgarten (cozen), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
mid-'90s was really the point when everything got compact disc bloat, for a few years it was only occasional bold types going much past the 50-minute park
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link
don't forget that 1998 region where 8Ball and Master P and E-40 and Biggie were doing DOUBLE DISC EVERYTHING
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link
haha the 8Ball is actually a triple disc, they tacked a Suave House comp onto it. the whole thing is pretty solid!
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link
biggie wasn't doing much in 1998
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link
trying to remember the last rapper that got away w/ a big double album -- Lupe TRIED to this year but the label talked him into splitting it up and dropping the other half next year
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
I love the 8 Ball but I never listened to the third disc
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
trying to remember the last rapper that got away w/ a big double album
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, October 29, 2012 2:44 PM (36 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
stop mentioning outkast.
― scott seward, Monday, October 29, 2012 2:27 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
UGK 4 Life probably the last major label rap double disc? can't believe Kanye hasn't done one yet
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link
btw whiney did you have the good fortune to honeymoon outside hurricane territory?
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, October 29, 2012 11:42 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah I have this up in my cube cos that 96 Impala is still my dream car. Great stuff.
― Luchinski pourin' from the sky, let's get rich (what) (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
E-40's were kinda double albums in effect
― lex pretend, Monday, 29 October 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but they were independent distro cult hero things, i was talking about big unit-shifting major label releases
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
outkast didn't get away w/that double alb
― w g sniffy walgarten (cozen), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, only made out with 3 Grammys and 5 million units sold
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link
aw man <3<3<3 to have whiney back w/deep puddle dynamics and reh dogg references
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link
underground kingz
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/472/seriouscatcover.jpg?1260046843
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
i honeymooned in Cape Cod. We did a 1,000-piece jigsaw puzzle and I saw a whale and I bought the Kendrick album
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
oh shit... were meek and ross with wale?
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Monday, October 29, 2012 3:06 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha er yeah got the titles confused
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
j0rdan what the hell was that post
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
the dadmaster disapproves
― all mods con (k3vin k.), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
i smiled at it
― croup the color of mayonnaise (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 October 2012 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
also, j0rd, thanks for RTing my emoji pumpkin, dogg. Your tweet inspired it.
― Victory Goon (some dude), Monday, October 29, 2012 9:42 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I know she was already established by this point, but Nikki's "Monster" verse sort of had a similar impact... I'm sure she would've still exploded without it, of course, but it was a defining guest verse early in her career.
― king louie riel (rennavate), Monday, 29 October 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link