haven't heard that? link?
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://youtu.be/97GQMscedD4
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:03 (eleven years ago) link
Nice
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
always preferred this remix tbh: http://youtu.be/uqfP2MoKYz4
that salaam one is nice though. i love "fast life" but was never crazy about the original beat
― don't trust the lil b in apartment 23 (fadanuf4erybody), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link
can't believe DJP is reading a post totally literally, what an amazing turn of events for ILX
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link
my point is that theres too many things that arent rapping on a rap album and it makes for a tedious, aggravating listen, especially when the dude in question is one of the best rappers working today
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
it would be a better point if you weren't using stupid examples to make it
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
Really sorry to hear about your tedious, aggravating listen, Whiney. Glad it's not contagious.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link
like, if your point is "I want him to tell his big sweeping story by rapping about it, not through framing skits", just say that
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
I hate to be the guy who's like "maybe if you have a long attention span this is a great album" but yeah. the interludes and all were entertaining, even engrossing, when I was lying in bed yesterday morning listening to the album in a good pair of headphones with my eyes closed. I imagine I'll find them distracting if I'm listening while I'm doing other shit.
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 12:20 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Lol, yeah your "He only does it in 7 of the 12 songs" argument really made me look like an idiot
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
― don't trust the lil b in apartment 23 (fadanuf4erybody), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:14 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
yeah me either. i like the vinyl reanimators beat but i think salaam's melancholy gambino recasting stages it perfectly
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
I hate to be the guy who's like "maybe if you have a long attention span this is a great album" but yeah.
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:26 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
making generalisations to fit whiney in is fool's work. my attention span is fucking shameful and this album drew me in on its own by design
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
i agree w whiney that there are too many skits & not enough rapping (i like the softserve beats tho), but it's kind of like when he complains about not being able to listen to mixtapes with dj drops or low bitrates, the music that's there is still hot & i think it's kind of prissy to dismiss it on that basis alone, like spoiled kids whose parents have to cut the crust off of their bread or something
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
"too many skits & not enough rapping" wasn't actually his gripe at all though
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
oh noes a rap album with hooks and good production
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
his criticism is a rejection of the album's entire presentation, its basic framework, which is fine if he wants to dismiss it but doesn't qualify as a 'considered criticism' by that standard imo, its like when i had a friend who complained about the snares on cuban linx being too loud, or when a certain ilxor dissed the drums on anthony hamilton's debut
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
he said "most of the runtime is eaten up by choruses and bridges that go on forever, forever ever, forever ever... not to mention that if anyone this side of Lupe dropped a 69-minute "short film" they'd be laughed off ilx" & that's the part i was agreeing with, i don't think its overproduced, i like that the beats are butter-soft, dgaf about beach house samples, think his voice is cool
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
it's tasteful production that stays out of the way of the rapping but i don't know how much it's particularly good production
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Ha. I had a friend who refused to listen to RZA's production because there wasn't enough bass.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
i like the way it's tasteful production that stays out of the way AND it's super-detailed and still full of really great sonic details, lots of percussive pile-ups and awesome basslines and eerie organs/strings/samples etc
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
yes!
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
i have no idea how rejecting an album's narrative framework is just like nitpicking about drums tbh, those seem like totally different approaches to me
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
I wasnt even complaining about the narrative framework, I'm a big fan of Prince Among Thieves, tbh.
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think anyone said anything about you rejecting the narrative?
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
w/e this post was saying
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
i was just teasing al about hating the drums on coming from where im from it wasnt meant to be serious
altho the rest of the post was
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
I don't get anything about narrative out of that post xp
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
oh i thought based on the additonal cuban linx thing that there was some kind of meaning there silly me (xpost)
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
sorry didn't think it was a huge leap of logic to think talking about the Kendrick album's "entire presentation, its basic framework" had something to do w/ the storyline that is central to every discussion of the album
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
Funny thing is, for me, the narrative aspect is one of the things I find least compelling about this record.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
this thread title is kinda weird now in light of how introspective and emo this record is
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
Seemed obv to me deej was talking about the sonic framework, since, you know, that's what Whiney criticized.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
right ok
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
never thought i'd get so much grief for THAT n-word
otm
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah me too - this is what DOES fit the "admirable but not lovable" line, because it's impressive and all but it's not what's making me come back to this album (and i'm totally cherrypicking my favourites when i relisten, hardly ever listen to ~the narrative~ any more) (plus three of my favourite tracks are bonus cuts)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
I think the "objectiveness" of the narrative structure is what is ultimately allowing Kendrick to follow his inclinations to be weird and free.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
That is its value to me. The story in itself isn't too important.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
think you guys are underselling the narrative, to me as a whole it's really just a rich and affective portrait of the compton of his youth, but individually the more narrative-driven scenes are among the best of the album, if not sequentially dependent necessarily
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
altho you guys are probably going to qualify what you meant by narrative aspect now
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
individually the more narrative-driven scenes are among the best of the album, if not sequentially dependent necessarily
I agree with this, but the overarching-concept aspect of it doesn't seem like a huge part of the listening experience for me.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
the narrative is important to my enjoyment of the record but it isn't the narrative itself that i focus on when i think about what i like about it. the narrative just allows for the good stuff to 'work' & forces you to pay attention to the details hes saying, gives him the opportunity to rap from other perspectives more readily, etc
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
ya i think it's a necessary condition that, for a concept album to 'work' u have to be able to enjoy it without paying any attention to the concept
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
kendrick lamar will ruminate at length about your favorite rapper for money
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
some dude will kill your favorite thread for money
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
― flopson, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes totally and the fact i can zone out the narrative and still enjoy the fuck outta this album is huge, i feel
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
Kendrick will diss Shyne for a laugh:http://soundcloud.com/topdawgent/kendrick-lamar-the-jig-is-up
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
that track is hot
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link