Kendrick Lamar will kill your favorite rapper for money

it's tasteful production that stays out of the way of the rapping but i don't know how much it's particularly good production

his criticism is a rejection of the album's entire presentation, its basic framework, which is fine if he wants to dismiss it but doesn't qualify as a 'considered criticism' by that standard imo, its like when i had a friend who complained about the snares on cuban linx being too loud, or when a certain ilxor dissed the drums on anthony hamilton's debut

― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha. I had a friend who refused to listen to RZA's production because there wasn't enough bass.

i like the way it's tasteful production that stays out of the way AND it's super-detailed and still full of really great sonic details, lots of percussive pile-ups and awesome basslines and eerie organs/strings/samples etc

yes!

i have no idea how rejecting an album's narrative framework is just like nitpicking about drums tbh, those seem like totally different approaches to me

I wasnt even complaining about the narrative framework, I'm a big fan of Prince Among Thieves, tbh.

I don't think anyone said anything about you rejecting the narrative?

his criticism is a rejection of the album's entire presentation, its basic framework, which is fine if he wants to dismiss it but doesn't qualify as a 'considered criticism' by that standard imo, its like when i had a friend who complained about the snares on cuban linx being too loud, or when a certain ilxor dissed the drums on anthony hamilton's debut

― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

w/e this post was saying

i was just teasing al about hating the drums on coming from where im from it wasnt meant to be serious

altho the rest of the post was

I don't get anything about narrative out of that post xp

oh i thought based on the additonal cuban linx thing that there was some kind of meaning there silly me (xpost)

sorry didn't think it was a huge leap of logic to think talking about the Kendrick album's "entire presentation, its basic framework" had something to do w/ the storyline that is central to every discussion of the album

Funny thing is, for me, the narrative aspect is one of the things I find least compelling about this record.

this thread title is kinda weird now in light of how introspective and emo this record is

Seemed obv to me deej was talking about the sonic framework, since, you know, that's what Whiney criticized.

right ok

never thought i'd get so much grief for THAT n-word

Funny thing is, for me, the narrative aspect is one of the things I find least compelling about this record.

otm

Funny thing is, for me, the narrative aspect is one of the things I find least compelling about this record.

yeah me too - this is what DOES fit the "admirable but not lovable" line, because it's impressive and all but it's not what's making me come back to this album (and i'm totally cherrypicking my favourites when i relisten, hardly ever listen to ~the narrative~ any more) (plus three of my favourite tracks are bonus cuts)

I think the "objectiveness" of the narrative structure is what is ultimately allowing Kendrick to follow his inclinations to be weird and free.

That is its value to me. The story in itself isn't too important.

think you guys are underselling the narrative, to me as a whole it's really just a rich and affective portrait of the compton of his youth, but individually the more narrative-driven scenes are among the best of the album, if not sequentially dependent necessarily

altho you guys are probably going to qualify what you meant by narrative aspect now

individually the more narrative-driven scenes are among the best of the album, if not sequentially dependent necessarily

I agree with this, but the overarching-concept aspect of it doesn't seem like a huge part of the listening experience for me.

the narrative is important to my enjoyment of the record but it isn't the narrative itself that i focus on when i think about what i like about it. the narrative just allows for the good stuff to 'work' & forces you to pay attention to the details hes saying, gives him the opportunity to rap from other perspectives more readily, etc

ya i think it's a necessary condition that, for a concept album to 'work' u have to be able to enjoy it without paying any attention to the concept

kendrick lamar will ruminate at length about your favorite rapper for money

some dude will kill your favorite thread for money

ya i think it's a necessary condition that, for a concept album to 'work' u have to be able to enjoy it without paying any attention to the concept

― flopson, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes totally and the fact i can zone out the narrative and still enjoy the fuck outta this album is huge, i feel

Kendrick will diss Shyne for a laugh:
http://soundcloud.com/topdawgent/kendrick-lamar-the-jig-is-up

lol

that track is hot

I PRAY TO GOD THIS BEAT IS GOOD FOR SHYNE
IF NOT, J. COLE YOUR SHIT IS TRRAAASSSH

yes yes yes that is awesome, kendrick's got jooookes

I need to dig more into why this is the case, but a lot of Kendrick's lyrics about sex and women really skeeve me out--ditto Schoolboy Q. It's a very different kind of uneasiness than more classically misogynistic lyrics cause me. Does anyone else feel this to any extent? Or am I just an old prude?

I can't think of a single thing either of them has said that skeeves me out more than stuff said in "Wait (The Whisper Song)" (which I also like)

I can't take Schoolboy Q's machismo in large doses. He's having intercourse with my girlfriend in every single song and it gets really tiring. Plus, she's exhausted when I come home from work.

I can't take Schoolboy Q's machismo in large doses. He's having intercourse with my girlfriend in every single song and it gets really tiring. Plus, she's exhausted when I come home from work.

― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:57 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah but aren't most rappers having sex with your girlfriend in every song?

y'all have girlfriends?

Well maybe they do but Q insists on it so aggressively that these days I can hardly seem to touch her.

Somebody needs to have girlfriends. Or else Schoolboy Q wouldn't have anything to rap about.

there's a bit of a "it feels like a bag of sand when you're touching it" to kendrick

2 Chainz turned cuckolding into hip hop's new national obsession

Yeah, that's gotta be part of it. DJP, that Ying Yang song is, like, comically over-the-top. It's like death metal lyrics, but about a vagina. It might make me be a little "whoa there", but I actually find it way easier to digest than the BH stuff in the vein of what longneck's talking about. You feel like Q cares more about the fact that the girl is taken already than that her ass is hot.

there's a bit of a "it feels like a bag of sand when you're touching it" to kendrick

― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:02 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL

72 hours seems like an awful long time even if you're really into it so that line is a little confusing to me

it's like LL never happened up in here

otoh I will treasure the sentence "It's like death metal lyrics, but about a vagina," forever

Yeah, that's gotta be part of it. DJP, that Ying Yang song is, like, comically over-the-top. It's like death metal lyrics, but about a vagina. It might make me be a little "whoa there", but I actually find it way easier to digest than the BH stuff in the vein of what longneck's talking about. You feel like Q cares more about the fact that the girl is taken already than that her ass is hot.

― Clarke B., Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, exactly.

Schoolboy is a bit too close to Royce 5'9 or something to me.

it's like LL never happened up in here

oh yeah, LL was sleeping with my girlfriend back before Tauheed was even Tity Boi

yeah but w/ 2 Chainz the "your girl" mentions are through the roof, like 10 times as often as any other rapper