yes!
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
i have no idea how rejecting an album's narrative framework is just like nitpicking about drums tbh, those seem like totally different approaches to me
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
I wasnt even complaining about the narrative framework, I'm a big fan of Prince Among Thieves, tbh.
― Mr. Zone A (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think anyone said anything about you rejecting the narrative?
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link
his criticism is a rejection of the album's entire presentation, its basic framework, which is fine if he wants to dismiss it but doesn't qualify as a 'considered criticism' by that standard imo, its like when i had a friend who complained about the snares on cuban linx being too loud, or when a certain ilxor dissed the drums on anthony hamilton's debut
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 7:08 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
w/e this post was saying
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
i was just teasing al about hating the drums on coming from where im from it wasnt meant to be serious
altho the rest of the post was
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
I don't get anything about narrative out of that post xp
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
oh i thought based on the additonal cuban linx thing that there was some kind of meaning there silly me (xpost)
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
sorry didn't think it was a huge leap of logic to think talking about the Kendrick album's "entire presentation, its basic framework" had something to do w/ the storyline that is central to every discussion of the album
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
Funny thing is, for me, the narrative aspect is one of the things I find least compelling about this record.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
this thread title is kinda weird now in light of how introspective and emo this record is
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link
Seemed obv to me deej was talking about the sonic framework, since, you know, that's what Whiney criticized.
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
right ok
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
never thought i'd get so much grief for THAT n-word
otm
― the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link
yeah me too - this is what DOES fit the "admirable but not lovable" line, because it's impressive and all but it's not what's making me come back to this album (and i'm totally cherrypicking my favourites when i relisten, hardly ever listen to ~the narrative~ any more) (plus three of my favourite tracks are bonus cuts)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
I think the "objectiveness" of the narrative structure is what is ultimately allowing Kendrick to follow his inclinations to be weird and free.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link
That is its value to me. The story in itself isn't too important.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
think you guys are underselling the narrative, to me as a whole it's really just a rich and affective portrait of the compton of his youth, but individually the more narrative-driven scenes are among the best of the album, if not sequentially dependent necessarily
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link
altho you guys are probably going to qualify what you meant by narrative aspect now
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link
individually the more narrative-driven scenes are among the best of the album, if not sequentially dependent necessarily
I agree with this, but the overarching-concept aspect of it doesn't seem like a huge part of the listening experience for me.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
the narrative is important to my enjoyment of the record but it isn't the narrative itself that i focus on when i think about what i like about it. the narrative just allows for the good stuff to 'work' & forces you to pay attention to the details hes saying, gives him the opportunity to rap from other perspectives more readily, etc
― fanute da croupier (D-40), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
ya i think it's a necessary condition that, for a concept album to 'work' u have to be able to enjoy it without paying any attention to the concept
― flopson, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
kendrick lamar will ruminate at length about your favorite rapper for money
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link
some dude will kill your favorite thread for money
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
― flopson, Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yes totally and the fact i can zone out the narrative and still enjoy the fuck outta this album is huge, i feel
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
Kendrick will diss Shyne for a laugh:http://soundcloud.com/topdawgent/kendrick-lamar-the-jig-is-up
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
that track is hot
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
I PRAY TO GOD THIS BEAT IS GOOD FOR SHYNEIF NOT, J. COLE YOUR SHIT IS TRRAAASSSH
yes yes yes that is awesome, kendrick's got jooookes
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
I need to dig more into why this is the case, but a lot of Kendrick's lyrics about sex and women really skeeve me out--ditto Schoolboy Q. It's a very different kind of uneasiness than more classically misogynistic lyrics cause me. Does anyone else feel this to any extent? Or am I just an old prude?
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
I can't think of a single thing either of them has said that skeeves me out more than stuff said in "Wait (The Whisper Song)" (which I also like)
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
I can't take Schoolboy Q's machismo in large doses. He's having intercourse with my girlfriend in every single song and it gets really tiring. Plus, she's exhausted when I come home from work.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:57 (eleven years ago) link
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 3:57 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah but aren't most rappers having sex with your girlfriend in every song?
― king louie riel (rennavate), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
y'all have girlfriends?
― lil dirk (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
Well maybe they do but Q insists on it so aggressively that these days I can hardly seem to touch her.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 21:59 (eleven years ago) link
Somebody needs to have girlfriends. Or else Schoolboy Q wouldn't have anything to rap about.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link
there's a bit of a "it feels like a bag of sand when you're touching it" to kendrick
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link
2 Chainz turned cuckolding into hip hop's new national obsession
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, that's gotta be part of it. DJP, that Ying Yang song is, like, comically over-the-top. It's like death metal lyrics, but about a vagina. It might make me be a little "whoa there", but I actually find it way easier to digest than the BH stuff in the vein of what longneck's talking about. You feel like Q cares more about the fact that the girl is taken already than that her ass is hot.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
― seasonal hugs (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:02 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
LOL
72 hours seems like an awful long time even if you're really into it so that line is a little confusing to me
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link
it's like LL never happened up in here
otoh I will treasure the sentence "It's like death metal lyrics, but about a vagina," forever
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link
― Clarke B., Tuesday, October 30, 2012 10:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lol, exactly.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
Schoolboy is a bit too close to Royce 5'9 or something to me.
― O-Jah Da Lionmane (longneck), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah, LL was sleeping with my girlfriend back before Tauheed was even Tity Boi
― thraeds of life (The Reverend), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link
yeah but w/ 2 Chainz the "your girl" mentions are through the roof, like 10 times as often as any other rapper
― Victory Goon (some dude), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
― Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, October 30, 2012 6:05 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Well, TBF, each thrust probably takes like 25 minutes.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:12 (eleven years ago) link
is the "comically over the top" card the same thing that lets people deal with Tyler?
― Gandalf’s Gobble Melt (DJP), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:13 (eleven years ago) link
Yeesh, I can't really get with that either.
― Clarke B., Tuesday, 30 October 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link