Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

afaik people never stop being dicks.

yeah, it's fair game for her to take it down. it sucks for the rest of us, but clearly many people on the Internet are massive dicks who think we don't deserve intelligent discourse.

the only rule is don't be a dick

too many dicks

xposts. four "dicks" posts in a row. sorry for the gendered language.

xposts again.

dicks will never stop being dicks on the internet

mydickband

Her EOY list contained Bieber, massive dick attractor.

i was listening to 'visions' this morning on the turntable, my kid was going back and forth from speaker to speaker laying his hands on the sound vibrations. he loves it.

my 2yo daughter likes it too but the one song that starts with a loud robot voice scares her

It freaked me out a bit too at first, if I wasn't expecting it.

What was the actual list?

Feel a bit sketchy posting this when she's taken it down, but what the hell it's only a list:

best songs of 2012

Psy - Gangnam Style

Major Lazer - get free

Lana Del Rey - ride, National Anthem, Summertime Sadness

Usher - Climax

Bieber - beauty and a beat

Carly rae - call me maybe

Haim - forever

Taylor Swift - Trouble

Kitty Pryde - okay cupid

did anything else really good come out in 2012?

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OKAY i totally forgot about julia holter — i think four gardens is just an incredible song and the first version of goddess eyes.

Also doldrums… altho maybe that record isn’t out

also what that was by majical cloudz. <3

also i just want to say i love the swans record, but there obviously aren’t ‘singles’ haha.

Good list. People are dicks.

I suppose you could read "did anything else really good come out in 2012?" as an invitation to troll, although she may well have meant it as a genuine q to her fans.

She is right about "Four Gardens", although now I've seen it performed live with drum & bass interludes I wish Julia would release an expanded/updated version.

she chose the wrong bieber single!

still don't fully get why the only excellent thing she's done caused such delete-my-tumblr drama

obv the people who were being dicks to her need to be shot

Ignore the trolls is something all post-internet musicians need to learn.

LOL at Tumblr drama. Is Grimes still in high school?

actually she appears to be one of the few who isn't

ageists

i reassert what i said on the poll thread, that grimes seems a prime WKIW candidate or dinner party invitee, despite her own music being so irritating

Yeah, she seems great. Why is she wasting time on tumblr or whatever? Step away from the computer, Grimes.

she wasn't wasting her time, she posted a pretty good EOY list and a great defence of it. better than the music she makes when she's not fucking around online.

Yeah, but she seems really sensitive to run of the mill online buffoonery (unlike, say, you, or many of us here). Ergo, step away from the computer, Grimes. Your year-end list was neither interesting nor controversial enough to warrant the drama.

erm when someone is the victim of people being dicks the people to criticise are the dicks not the victim

if grimes wishes to enjoy herself online why shouldn't she? people shouldn't fucking harass her.

erm when someone is the victim of people being dicks the people to criticise are the dicks not the victim

It's pretty implicit that the dicks are dicks. That's why they're called dicks. Doesn't mean the dicks will go away, ever. 98% of internet traffic is due or dedicated to dicks.

if grimes wishes to enjoy herself online why shouldn't she? people shouldn't fucking harass her.

Of course Grimes can do whatever she wants. Also, people will fucking harass her.

maybe if people were less accepting of dicks being dicks and awful harassment occurring, it would be harder for those people to continue doing it

Wouldn't that be great.

lolling at the irony

Aware of irony and it is still funny.

;) anyway, I like this move, good for Grimes

I came in pretty late to the whole Grimes & friends tumblr diaspora late last year and really enjoyed reading and seeing what she'd post. I think she uses tumblr, and the web in general, as more of a learning and artistic tool to communicate and tease out ideas in a way that I envy. I mean, if it's a waste of time, is making music a waste of time, too? Because in work that's mostly a solo effort, there's a pretty strong extension of personality and whatever you're doing to elaborate on and extend that personality is relevant to your art, let alone personal life.

Wiping the slate clean is completely her prerogative, though, and I think there's no harm there. If anything, that's just another form of expression.

on a quick side-note: flamboyant goon tie, is your ilx account wired up to an email account you use? I might send you a message, I think you are going to be in my general neighborhood in a couple months.

yes it is, go for it

Your year-end list was neither interesting nor controversial enough to warrant the drama.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:19 AM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think this is missing the point rather neatly

to be honest, I'm just making trouble. I haven't been following this. But I do think the Internet is funny.

*shoes you away with broom*

That list isn't really that bad at all.

Now if she was repping for fellow Canadian Shawn Desman, then I would be questioning her sanity.

Hey now Shawn has done a lot of good things for people in this country

if grimes wishes to enjoy herself online why shouldn't she? people shouldn't fucking harass her.

People shouldn't but they will. People harass on the internet, it is a fact. You can't stop it. Add to that the fact that people harass those that are in the public sphere to a far greater extent. Really the only thing to do is ignore it. Do you stop making music when you read a bad review of something you've done? No. You got to have faith in your own shit.

Hm I don't really have enough investment in this to go out on a limb to fully elucidate why I disagree with what you just posted, Adam, but the basic gist of my disagreement is that you're asking Grimes-the-person to exist in an emotional vacuum, to isolate herself from the internet-as-dialogue. I can't really put words in her mouth or the mouth of her conspirators, but my takeaway from her and her crew has been that they deliberately seek to maintain a position of mutual respect and dialogue between audience, critical complex and self. I loved, for example, that she smilingly and apologetically admitted to making Visions in Garageband. Although the aesthetic appeal of artists-who-don't-give-a-fuck is undeniable, her sensitivity to criticism and willingness to respond reads to me as self-respect.

She should chat with Amanda Palmer. There's a whole thread on ILX designed just to make fun of her and her dialogue with audience.

I think you can respect yourself and your audience and still realize that trolls exist and they aren't your audience.

my whole introduction to Grimes at some point in the past year was as some DIVISIVE ARTIST who some people apparently made a big deal of saying was overrated or untalented or whatever. i have very little firsthand exposure to that invective, and didn't feel very strongly either way about the couple most popular singles of hers that i've heard. but i guess she's getting a lot of aggression from somewhere, and i imagine whatever the pushback was on something as harmless as a defense of "Gangnam Style" must've just been the straw that broke the camel's back. seems kinda silly to have a site, with the same name you release records under, and then take umbrage when sites that praise your music quote it, but maybe she didn't get a lot of bile for that post until Pitchfork ran their story? i dunno, it's still rough out there for people straddling the indie/pop divide i guess.

actually, i suspect she is NOT getting "a lot of aggression". rather, that she has very thin skin.

That she writes and records all these songs herself and plays shows by herself is some cool stuff btw,

yeah i dunno! maybe she saw 2 derisive tweets and got upset, maybe a shitload of people sent her nasty personal emails, i really have no idea.

ppl are very nasty on the internet particularly towards women so i would give her the benefit of the doubt.

90% of the comments i saw on the gawker story about this were about her appearance and why gawker couldn't find a nicer picture of her to run with the post

I think it was with the sudden transformation of "a tumblr post" into "a Pitchfork headline", not necessarily trolls, who I feel she deals with gracefully.

Oh please don't let's mention AP in this thread I can't deal with that

I agree w Sean it's obvious she has a thin skin but shit who doesn't