also, i don't know the exact nature of what people have been saying to grimes this week, but if it's even 1/100th of what any woman with a moderate public profile receives as a matter of course NO ONE should be throwing around an adjective like "thin-skinned"
― lex pretend, Thursday, February 7, 2013 2:50 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^ that's what im saying
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
josh how grimes handles this is literally irrelevant, she can handle it exactly as she pleases and how she feels would be best for her
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
yeah see i suspect grimes to get to the point she is at, hugely acclaimed artist, doing it by herself, dealing with people who clearly didn't believe she could do it along the way...i suspect toughness is not her problem. but little things do build up over time and people get pissed and sometimes, amazingly, delete their blogs.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
even if she's very easily offended or prone to overreacting in real life, I see absolutely no evidence of that here and I honestly wish I was nearly as contemplative in my reactions and thoughts. and I don't even have anyone hounding me or caring what I think.
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link
not that this isn't part of real life!
really wish I hadn't actually seen her list
― ron paulstretch (crüt), Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
No, I insist she take my advice. Do you have a way I can contact her? I know what's best for her.
Seriously, I think this whole thing transcends blame the victim. I feel like we're all victimized by this stuff all the time, in a sense. If someone told me when I was little that one of my favorite artists would not only have a portal that provided a direct link but would actively encourage free (in every sense) communication, I would not have believed you. If someone then said such a thing would be ruined by assholes writing in hateful and hurtful shit just because it's easy and anonymous, young me would have asked why the fuck anyone would do that? It makes me sad. Sort of recalls the ground zero of this sort of thing, of Bob Dylan trying to live a normal public life, and that getting fucked up by psycho fans going through his mail, dropping in on him at home, etc.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:00 (eleven years ago) link
it's true. you are actually the victim in this situation.
― zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
I think I'm going to blog about it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
Josh I don't agree with what you're saying but I do think you're expressing a globally accepted consensus opinion about people in the public eye, "you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen". I think it's nonsense but here I am also expressing opinions online about public figures
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:05 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's possible to disagree strongly in the abstract, but reality dictates this shit will never go away. Internet comments are the least of it.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
cannot stand the "bad thing [x] will never go away so we should just accept & tolerate it" mindset
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, me neither.Lex, let's you and I get together to make sure this kind of thing never happens again.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
the best I can do is not do that s*** myself, and teach my kids not to do it either.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link
Android, taking the first step by censoring my writing.
I mean, that stuff thousands of people have to go through on a daily basis via via the Internet infuriates me, but I honestly don't know what the solution is.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
I'm honestly scared s******* at what my daughters will have to go through in just a few years. but short of cutting them off from the internet I'm not sure what I can do.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:20 (eleven years ago) link
this situation seems to me an example of somebody making the inevitable just that much easier. unfortunately.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
lmao does android actually censor when you type the wort shit
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
It does! Sometimes. When I do it by voice.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
There is the part where she isn't actually sure that blogging is helpful to what she does, it feels like she was thinking about closing the tumblr and that the trolling was the final straw.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:30 (eleven years ago) link
5*** 3*** 7*** 1*** exp **/13
omg android is amazing
― a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:32 (eleven years ago) link
lex be honest how many people have you sent death threats to for having "Gangnam Style" on their EOY list
― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
all of them, twice -_-
― lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
uh not the trolling, but because her posts were being used in a way she didn't intend them to be. which is a perfectly valid reason to delete one's blog imo.
xposts lmao lex
― Roz, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
man, if only there was a place on the web where I could interact as just a fellow human being with musicians who have had critically acclaimed work
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
Wait, are you saying we should invite Grimes to 77
― how's life, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:06 (eleven years ago) link
we're... not on 77 right now
* mind blown *
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
oh man, I don't know why I said that. I hope Grimes googlers don't start coming around and asking questions.
― how's life, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:54 (eleven years ago) link
they seem to have calmed down, the Ned googlers haven't tried setting up any shrines for him on ILE for a few years
― mh, Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:04 (eleven years ago) link
beyonce posted here as dom passantino for years before she was banned
― unprepared guitar (Edward III), Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:20 (eleven years ago) link
Been thinking earlier today that Grimes would fit in pretty well here between being amazing.
― eskimo table (seandalai), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:11 (eleven years ago) link
wkiw claire
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
yep
― markers, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
Not sure who is arguing for her playing the victim but either there are plenty of strawmen here or some words have been misunderstood. I was just trying to tell her what i would tell any stranger, friend, or family member to do about internet trolls: ignore them. There is no magic internet troll b gone button....yet.
It's kind of a mute issue now that she's taken it down. Personal webspace turning into office public space is a tough thing to deal with I imagine. If you're recording and playing shows and all it's much easier to just tune it out and focus on what's important at the moment.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
And then we can look forward to seeing more posts turned into pitchfork headlines
― Moodles, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
Xpost
she could post as "underrated beyonce singles i have blogged"
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:54 (eleven years ago) link
She won't show up if you keep saying nice things about her
― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 8 February 2013 00:55 (eleven years ago) link
"flamboyant pussy ring included"
― Tim F, Friday, 8 February 2013 00:58 (eleven years ago) link
lol
― dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Friday, 8 February 2013 01:29 (eleven years ago) link
whooooa Tim!
― mh, Friday, 8 February 2013 02:20 (eleven years ago) link
...there's a vision.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2013 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
Local band/AmRep types Supernova once threatened to write a song about me called "My Name is Ned," while my friend Grady in Chicago wants to do the same. I say bring it on. FEED MY EGO!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:00 PM (11 years ago)
― ❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 8 February 2013 02:46 (eleven years ago) link
And? DID YOU?
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 February 2013 02:51 (eleven years ago) link
full disclosure: today is the first time I've actually felt compelled to give Visions a listen
― Drugs A. Money, Friday, 8 February 2013 06:02 (eleven years ago) link
better late than never
― markers, Friday, 8 February 2013 06:49 (eleven years ago) link
hey it’s claire
I've had a really hard time with all of this but if it means that Drugs A Money has finally listened to my album Visions then i guess it's all been worth it.
xc
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 8 February 2013 12:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/44487022558
― markers, Sunday, 3 March 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Sunday, 3 March 2013 22:49 (eleven years ago) link