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Yeah, but he played it on that tour. Horn section and everything.

someone brought in the mudcrutch album a while back and i didn't listen to the whole thing and it didn't really hit me until i watched the promo studio videos and now i want that album too. it might still be at the store.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlYeq5f9lqM

That Petty book made me check out the very underrated Let Me Up (I've Had Enough)

yeah i was playing that the other day. sounded cool. his 80's and 90's stuff sounds good to me in general lately. oh and i don't think i knew that dylan came up with the eddie murphy/vanessa redgrave/joe piscopo line.

so in a way i guess dylan gave tom some crytpo-political thing by including vanessa. the whole palestine situation.

I can't find it, but there's a clip of Eddie Murphy saying "Fuck Tom Petty."

was relieved he loves "It'll All Work Out" as much as I do.

i love the part in the book when he was doing the wilburys thing and having the time of his life and the rest of the band...? mike writing and producing boys of summer for don henley and the rest of the band winning a grammy for best country album? only in america. and mike played everything on boys of summer. which again i don't think i knew.

and Benmont produced that great John Prine record!

right! grammy for that. the country thing might have been something else. maybe the carlene carter thing? i can't remember. but there is a country grammy in there somewhere.

Benmont was on a ton of records in the late 80s/early 90s...I mostly remember him playing a significant role on the "Replacements" (because it's really a Westerberg solo record) All Shook Down. But dude was in demand.

Those guys are second only to the E Street Band in expert studio indenturehood.

George Harrison comes off SO much better as songwriter-producer-personality in Petty's rendering than he ever did in life, which is why the Scorsese documentary, among other reasons, fails.

mick taylor and billy preston and bill wyman didn't write shit. i'm sure lots of people came up with ideas or riffs though.

― scott seward, Sunday, February 10, 2013 3:

not to interrupt our awesome T-Petty conversation but without Jagger telling me it's clear Mick Taylor wrote the music to "Moonlight Mile." Mick is singing along to Taylor's riff and Keef ain't credited with anything.

oooone song

a brilliant song

but let's not throw keith out with the bathwater

we can a few times. "Sway" too.

^^^

George Harrison comes off SO much better as songwriter-producer-personality in Petty's rendering than he ever did in life, which is why the Scorsese documentary, among other reasons, fails.
― the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

I won't be reading the Petty book, so can you please say a little bit more about the description of George? (Thanks!)

Sardonic, generous, avid about collaboration, ego-free about sharing credits. Also, a superb dinner and drink companion.

Ugh, that Scorsese doc was such crap. Thanks for the summary!

well i certainly wouldn't want to take anything away from LEGENDARY SONGWRITER mick taylor. what was he 12 when he joined the band as a hired hand?

yeah, man, tom just adored george. in a big way. but he also adored jeff lynne and rick rubin, so i dunno...

actually i have no idea what jeff lynne is like maybe he's the nicest guy in the world.

I want to believe Jagger hit on him.

watched this like 20 times the other day...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

I've written about this elsewhere but the awesome/sad thing about George is how the Wilburys nurtured and encouraged his genuine talents in ways that the Beatles didn't. I can't imagine what a drag it must have been to sit around a studio with Paul a few years later and feel the old tension (which is why he insisted Jeff Lynne act as mediator).

yeah its just cool to read TP's accounts of the wilburys cuz you get this really excited george who is REALLY having fun and into the whole thing. instead of the usual george stuff. the boring mystical rich guy george. but he was having a confident moment. he had a number one solo song and a huge album and all that. he was ready for action.

and the other four Wilburys in awe of Roy Orbison and actively working for a commercial comeback for him

shit and i need the she's the one soundtrack too. i heard that in a record store years ago and really liked it. luckily the cover doesn't have assface mcmullan on it. that's like an entire tom petty album and most people have never heard it.

good Beck cover too!

...and Lucinda Williams!

YES

Wildflowers was the last time he held Gen X commercial cred, but it was so cool to have him selling records into 1995 instead of Steve Winwood.

Wasn't Dave Grohl his drummer on the Wildflowers tour?

One cool fact I remember reading about the recording of "You Don't know How it Feels" was that the band was having a hard time finding a drummer after having Stan Lynch quit/fire and went through a dozen drummers trying to cut that tune. Steve Ferrone comes in and the first take, not hearing the song ever before, nails the take that got released. I guess Petty & Co. were surprised that Ferrone being such a big studio drummer was actually interested in joining the band, as alot of those type guys don't really want to commit to a band that tours that much.

i like his whole approach. they never rehearsed before going into the studio. and would just live there and play everything live for the first time. that's how they got a lot of first take ad-lib stuff that made it onto record. he would ad-lib entire songs! and then put them out. 100% creative control. i like the element of chance + endless money to fuck around + access to the best of everything! kind of an enviable position to be in if you are a musician. and you know what to do with all that. that's key.

they made that mudcrutch album in 2 weeks and it sounds great! i admire how good those guys are at what they do. the main three. tom, benmont, mike.

scott, watch the documentary: swiftest four-hour Bogdanovich documentary ever

xxxpost re Let Me Up I've Had Enough when we do the petty poll in 2015 [SPOILER ALERT] "runaway trains" is going to be high on my ballot.

love that this thread has become the secret petty tree fort.

Was it the stones in partic caused the furore in the ilx canon poll a while back

I believe you want The Rolling Stones' "Too Much Blood" - is this the best thing they ever did?

This thread is for talking about Tom Petty

Benmont was on a ton of records in the late 80s/early 90s...I mostly remember him playing a significant role on the "Replacements" (because it's really a Westerberg solo record) All Shook Down. But dude was in demand.

― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, February 10, 2013 7:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He did great work on the first Lone Justice album, with the Petty-written lead single. As did Mike Campbell and Little Steven.

Dunno why we're talking Campbell here, but ... dude wrote the bulk of "Boys of Summer," so he gets a pass for life (in addition to about six Petty songs that earn him the same). Ironically, by "End of the Innocence," Henley was co-writing with Stan Lynch!

Y'all want to see something awesome, track down the interview-doc featuring Campbell talking at length about each of his guitars.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/exclusive-chapter-7-of-mike-campbells-the-guitars-documentary-20120702

jimmy iovine grabbed that petty song from the archives and gave it to lone justice. petty wrote another one for them but they didn't use it. which is kinda dumb of lone justice.

Mike Campbell's dreadlocks break my heart

i love this. its like an alternate history or something. after mudcrutch dissolved tom was gonna make a solo album for shelter and he got with studio dudes like al kooper and jim gordon and you can really hear the path not taken!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKMAqFQJEeg

like they could have totally set him up as sensitive singer/songwriter guy if fate hadn't intervened and the heartbreakers hadn't happened.

love the song Petty-Tench wrote for Rosanne Cash: "Never Be You."

fast-forward to 1:08 and you get a great live stevie/tom duet of "insider".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRnqpI4QKRg

okay i promise no more petty youtubes on the stones thread...

Nice story about Petty writing "Insider" for Stevie Nicks but deciding it was too good to surrender.

He's fond of Hard Promises.