Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America

i see the benefits to both approaches

you can also look at the sales chart in america, it's not like it disappeared

a lot of bands started off with hits just scraping the top 40 due to sales.
Also cant imagine acts like The Fall getting a top 40 in the USA :)

you don't have some magic chart we don't have

this harlem shake thing is so embarassing

it kinda seems like the UK charts being sales-based has always kept it open to lots of goofy novelty #1s ("Crazy Frog," the whole Christmas #1 tradition), and that the US started to veer towards that kind of thing more after iTunes data started impacting the Hot 100, and the YouTube data is just a harder swing towards that.

"Gangnam Style" and "Thrift Shop" became radio hits eventually, but that seemed to be a direct result of the viral success giving them a sales-fueled chart boost before any US radio station would touch it.

yeah, reflecting the larger culture i guess, but it's impossible to imagine something like d4l hitting #1 during the nineties when #1 meant 'this song is completely unavoidable, you know it well regardless of what radio stations or music you listen to, and it ain't going anywhere soon'.

what's funny is this is the first time i can remember (which isn't going back very far - 90s basically) that billboard changed their methodology and it wasn't pretty explicitly cuz 'things were getting too black'. does seem plausible (more plausible at least) that you could have a rap or rock or maybe even r&b #1 hot 100 single again.

i dunno, i think this YouTube thing will benefit rap much less than other genres -- Drake's new single got a boost because his video dropped the week the rules changed, but in general it's pretty rare for even the biggest hip hop radio hit to put up really impressive YouTube numbers on the level of your standard Rihanna pop smashes that already dominate the charts.

god that perpetua hire at buzzfeed looks more and more tragic and evil every day

I heard "Thrift Shop" for the first time today. That shit is terrible.

during the nineties when #1 meant 'this song is completely unavoidable, you know it well regardless of what radio stations or music you listen to, and it ain't going anywhere soon'.

I did not have this experience of the '90s at all. at least the latter half of the '90s.

ok but name some #1s of the late 90s that you can't hum, i think a lot of people would go whaaaat

I completely avoided the latter half of the 90s number ones - for ex I did not recognize a single song on that recent boy band poll

the only ones I recognize are the big jokey gangnam style / rebecca black things like the macarena or mmmm bop. pre-internet it was pretty easy to avoid that kind of stuff if you didn't listen to pop radio. basically my total ignorance of top 40 music began at the point I went to college and ended when the internet made that stuff inescapable again.

'4 seasons of loneliness' is one tbf. i think that was the last #1 i hadn't heard until 'harlem shake'. excepting whitney/boyzIImen, the '#1 = monolith' trend may be most pronounced immediately before the itunes introduction (thinking of usher, outkast). jesus christ babyface must be rich as fuck.

how is that stuff more inescapable now??? deliberate exposure vs radio, grocery store pa's, mtv

I still haven't heard the majority of 90s number one singles.

you were a 9/11 baby there's no shock there

what is a Londonbeat

that was when music meant something, the berlin wall had fallen, pepsi was clear, and a little song called 'smells like teen spirit' had changed the world and opened ppl's minds

how is that stuff more inescapable now??? deliberate exposure vs radio, grocery store pa's, mtv

when I was in my 20s I didn't watch much TV or listen to the radio and didn't really know anyone my age who did either. I'm just saying it all depends on your age and to what degree you engage with pop culture, and I suspect your memory of '90s pop has a lot to do with how old you were at the time. I do think the internet makes it harder to escape this stuff though. If I wonder "what is this thing people are talking about?" I can click and form an opinion in 30 seconds. And I just find that it's more difficult to insulate your self from pop culture on the internet than IRL.

and for the record I did watch a lot of mtv in the late '90s and it was all Beavis and Butthead and the Real World

why hasn't billboard deemed baauer worthy of the r&b/hip-hop songs chart

yeah they make a lot of judgment calls there now that i don't totally understand

songs that Billboard deems worthy of the new iTunes-driven R&B/Hip Hop Songs chart: Rihanna's "Diamonds," Macklemore's "Thrift Shop," Justin Timberlake's "Suit & Tie"

songs that haven't been deemed worthy of that chart: Rihanna's "Stay," Flo Rida's "I Cry," PSY's "Gangnam Style," Pitbull's "Don't Stop The Party," Baauer's "Harlem Shake," Justin Bieber's "As Long As You Love Me"

sales-only chart has always been a dishonest kind of honesty if you examine the ways that music is consumed irl

Thinkpiece time!

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9005926/harlem-shake-thrift-shop-youtube-music-revolution

And it ends with:

"Friday" already seems like a throwback to a more innocent time. Back then, memes were only memes. If "Friday" came out today, Rebecca Black would have a no. 1 record.

So there you go.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/21775499

Some music artists are buying social networking statistics to get into the charts, a Newsbeat investigation has found.

The statistics, which can be bought, include YouTube views, Twitter followers and Facebook likes.

Newsbeat has found that you can buy 10,000 YouTube views for as little as £30.

There is also a market for buying comments to attribute to the views to help authenticate them.

A data monitoring company based in America says that it has a list of artists who they believe are buying statistics to increase their popularity with record labels and radio bosses.

....

Alex White is the CEO and co-founder of Next Big Sound, which gathers information on daily physical music and online consumption around the world.

He wouldn't name which artists he suspected had been purchasing its data, but said sometimes it was obvious to see that they had.

Martin V is based in Ottawa in Canada and runs a company where people can buy tens of thousands of YouTube views and comments for less than £100.

Twitter says using a company or a computer programme to increase your online activity on Twitter is against its rules.

In a statement it told Newsbeat: "Twitter reserves the right to immediately terminate your account without further notice [if] you violate these rules."

Facebook told Newsbeat that gaining "likes" from people who aren't interested in that page is "no good to anyone".

They advised: "If you run a Facebook page and someone offers you a boost in your fan count in return for money; walk away.

"Not least because it is against our rules and there is a good chance those Likes will be deleted by our automatic systems."

YouTube agreed that purchasing views or any other channel data was against its rules and said if it found out it had been done they could go as far as terminating your account.

got an email today with the subject line "Billboard Charts Now Using YouTube Data!! Get Youtube Marketing Today!!!"

"Harlem Shake" has finally dropped from the #1 spot after five weeks. "Thrift Shop" would have been at #1 for eleven weeks without the recent rejiggering.

out of the frying pan

like it or not, at least thrift shop "feels" like a number one record

amazing dissection of how "Harlem Shake" happened: http://qz.com/67991/you-didnt-make-the-harlem-shake-go-viral-corporations-did/

That's a cool article - amongst other things underlines how every viral hit is due to network effects. You either hit a hub or you don't.

kinda lol but mostly sad:
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1556367/macklemore-ryan-lewis-thrift-shop-sets-record-on-hot-rbhip-hop-songs-chart

read every instance of "while" in that article as "white"

meanwhile "adorn" RETURNS to #1 on r&b/hip-hop airplay after many weeks of other songs being #1. this would have been its... 23rd week at #1??

oh jk just saw that was mentioned on the miguel thread lol

it's ok, teddy dominatrix

i kinda wonder about an alternate universe where "adorn" had been released ten years ago - it would probably have been a double digit week long hot 100 number one, maybe even have had a record breaking stay there.

but in 2012/13 a 23 week long r&b airplay number one only gets you a top 20 hot 100 hit. depressing.

yeah i dunno... old-fashioned elements of the song aside, "Adorn" feels very much of its time, as does Miguel's whole career. and he probably wouldn't have an Usher-type profile in any era. although it does have some things in common with Mario's "Let Me Love You," which was #1 for nine weeks in '05, so you may have a point.

It doesn't matter, for if I get gay-married, "Adorn" will be the First Dance.

actually found that article pretty weak, like he doesn't rly deliver on the nefarious corporate force pulling the strings he's implying w/ that tone & intro. like he counts Mad Decent & two internet media ones as the corporations responsible for making harlem shake happen... MD released the single & the other two are only implicated because, like, someone at College Humour posted it. (Thousands of “Harlem Shake” videos were uploaded during the week of Feb. 11, many of them from businesses with something to sell. many! oh, no!) and like, hey guess what guys, Youtube is a corporation too! and they're owned by Google, who are really BIG. and the video was posted on Youtube.

also this image linked within the article (although too small to read the text) doesn't seem to support his thesis at all. does make me wonder how they figure out if you're an african american twitter user using harlem shake in its original context tho

http://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/screen-shot-2013-03-27-at-6-53-01-pm.png?w=1024&h=678

clive davis was on bill maher a few weeks ago doing book promotion and they were essentially talking about how EDM is crap (in so many words) and clive was talking about highlighting REAL MUSICIANS at his pre-grammy party and the first person he mentioned was miguel, thought that was kinda cool

a mention of a cool person in the middle of what sounds like a very uncool chat

well it was an old white hippy directing a conversation about current pop music, so yeah

i mean clive was being much more conciliatory but i'm sure he's not exactly jamming swedish house mafia in the crib

Clive devotes a chapter in his memoir to Taylor Dayne. I read it in Target.

aww clive and kelly clarkson are gonna have a reconciliation over a miguel slow dance

ha

agree w/flopson re: that harlem shake article. it's like... MD promoting their own song? the wool has been pulled over your eyes! It didn't even really get into the real story of corporations making money off of "Harlem Shake" which is not only google as flopson said but also the companies who paid for the ads in expectation of a return.