Kendrick Lamar will kill your favorite rapper for money

I am from Canada, home of the underground railway

you know what, I think I'm going to bow out of this conversation for the time being

Ok I was almost on yr side a moment ago (though not at all in agreement with you) but now I'm kinda leaning toward 'take all this back to reddit or wherever please'. This is terrible 'reasoning'. Grow up.

is thread really happening right now

where's the #jimmyfallonvirus when i need it the most?

guys just let him explain

I have definitely met non-black dudes from parts of Miami, etc. who can more or less get away with n---a because that really truly is the pervading language of their environment

the guy I know who does this is Columbian!

guys just let him explain

― k3vin k., Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:34 PM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he's the one with the dream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnrswAX5qFo

MARC IV HAD A DREAM

I have definitely met non-black dudes from parts of Miami, etc. who can more or less get away with n---a because that really truly is the pervading language of their environment

you know dj khaled?

lol al

who could possibly want to stop this obv important discussion from continuing???

plz help me to learn!!!!!!

ftr this guy doesn't speak for all canadians

Interestingly enough tho DJ Khaled does speak for all of Miami + he wants you to know this Snack Wrap is delicious.

Ooh, I got to use the "Flag Post" button!

plz help me to learn!!!!!!

― marc iv, Wednesday, March 6, 2013 10:40 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Your dreams will teach you. The hard way.

marc iv mordy has a poll you might be interested in

omfg wtf bro did I really say something so offensive you have to call the cops. I can't see what, I'm gonna cry, clearly I am more dysfunctional than I ever suspected.

marc iv had a dreeeem. kenderick have a dreeeeem.

omg trying not to lol in public

poor ships

i am canadian btw

http://www.the-coli.com/images/smilies/whoo.png

hi, marc iv!

i should probably not bother because it doesn't seem as though you're really engaging with what people are saying but: speaking as a fellow canadian, believe it or not we had slavery here too! for a good long while! and laws that enforced segregated seating in movie theatres! and other public spaces! and we had major court cases where the supreme court upheld the right of people to attach restrictive covenants to their property preventing future owners from selling said property to black people! and lots of other racist crap against black people

(plenty of racist crap perpetrated against asian immigrants to canada and their descendents also, and our government's record of interaction with and actions against the first nations populations is shameful and disgusting to say the least but that's not the issue at hand here)

anyway. YES there was slavery in canada. yes there remains racism in canada both on an individual level and on an institutional level. it's a dehumanizing word. it's a word whose sole purpose as deployed against black people is to mark them as not equal, as less than fully human, as less worthy of consideration, and even if people are no longer being sold and owned, our society (not just america) continues to discriminate and oppress people of colour and black people specifically on an institutional level. see: disproportionate policing, see: disproportionate charging and sentencing, see: the entire war on drugs and much of the criminal justice system, see: mandatory minimums in America and those that our own gov't just adopted. see: underrepresentation in gov't and in professions and in law and as judges, see: funding for schools in suburbs vs. inner cities, even in canada; see: the intersection of class and race, see: etc. etc. etc.

we live in a society where by virtue of being white or passing as white people like me and people like you get access to benefits and privileges that black people are never going to get. because we still live in a society that values one type of person more than others. even in multicultural cities in 'liberal' countries like canada. (and liberal canada with our charter of individual rights and freedoms is notoriously bad at addressing issues of racial discrimination, tbh. access to justice issues, costs of litigation/mediation/tribunals and the nature of an individual-rights framework like the charter etc.)

so yeah, white people using a word that dehumanizes black people for being black is not something that is ever neutral or carries no weight, especially not while we live in a country and society that continues to perpetuate systemic racism.

and black people using the word in artwork or in any other way they choose is not the same thing and not for you to decide the appropriateness of. the goal of reclamation of slurs is not necessarily ever to neutralize them so that they can be used my everyone including by the majority who imbued them with their bigoted meaning in the first place. it's often about subverting the oppressive and offensive language and stereotypes thrown at you and put on you. it's not about reclaiming it for everyone. it's about reclaiming it for the group targeted.

obviously, i can't speak for black people, but there's a world of difference between me using/claiming/identifying with words like 'queer' or 'fag' or 'homo' as man who is not straight and someone who is straight using the word 'faggot' to attack me or merely to describe me, even with neutral intent. the use of reclaimed slurs as self-descriptors don't carry the same sting, or at least attempt to invert the power given to them when used by the dominant group. no matter how much a straight person is supportive of queer liberation or gay rights or whatever, their use of those words is inherently suspect. assuming good intent when in the midst of dominant groups that are actively hostile towards you is a hell of a lot to ask of people, and enough homophobia is out there that if i hear a straight person tossing around 'faggot', i don't see why they get the benefit of the doubt about their open-mindedness. i'm more concerned with not getting my ass kicked.

similarly, racism is alive and well and everywhere, and no matter how enlightened you think you are as a white person, using that word is always going to carry with it the weight of the racist society we live in.

it should be enough that tons of black people have said and insist that it's an offensive word for white people to use and that we shouldn't use it. because honestly, if you're so intent on using the n word that a ton of people saying that it offends them and hurts them is less important to you than some sort of step by step rational argument explaining why something that people targeted by racism say is racist then you're kind of a dick.

**than some sort of step by step rational argument explaining why something that people targeted by racism say is racist IS ACTUALLY RACIST then you're kind of a dick

C&P that on every comments section on the internet

...and receive a million variations on "dude, you're gay" in return

just stop, everyone

xp i mean, yes. this is true. but this is doing nobody any good. i'm sorry for having ranted. gonna follow DJP's advice.

No. It was a good post and I'm happy that you wrote it.

cosign

I agree it was a good post but it was in response to someone who is either blatantly trolling or mind-bogglingly stupid, and it generated

oops didn't mean to submit that, might as well finish the thought

"... it generated another terrible avenue of conversation, so at this point I think we should all take a step back, let the dust settle, and come back after we've played 'Cartoon and Cereal' a few times"

tyvm for your post alex! the majority seem to be against this conversation continuing, but i would like it known that, first, the canadian thing was a joke: i am fully aware that racism runs rampant here in canada (idle no more!); and second, i have no desire or urge to use the n word, or any ambition of obtaining a pass like those dudes in miami: the word is archaic. even if it achieved planet-wide desensitization, there are more accurate terms, so in the future utopia we are all working towards it would not be in common parlance because, devoid of offense, the word has no inherent meaning.

my problem is that there seems to be a cultural discrepancy! how can racial segregation be used as a means to end racism? isn't that hypocritical? i love hiphop: it is a totally different world that, without the music, i would never have any insight into. but they are making art in a way that precludes me from ever grokking it. you can say it's not for me, i am not the demographic & so it is moot whether or not i grok it, and this is true, but these dudes are POP artists and as such have a social responsibility ok imo.

ugh i am starting to see in hazy outline where i am going wrong but i g2g so i will post this anyway & say fu to the haters.

part of the problem with the position are arguing from is that it causes you to say things like you wouldn't use the n-word because "there are more accurate terms" without seeming to explore the full ramifications of that statement

I only mean if you are going to refer to people by their race it is more accurate to say African, African American, African Canadian, etc.

are you like super dense or trolling?

these dudes are POP artists and as such have a social responsibility

okay, wait i maybe could have phrased that better

haha damn

forksclovemomus

now I'm just waiting for someone to bring up some other issue/ramification and then say "but that's a monkey for a different porch"

i am starting to see in hazy outline where i am going wrong

almost like a spook in the dark?

So Kendrick Lamar huh
https://soundcloud.com/arion-gerguri/emeli-sande-next-to-me-feat

jeez you guys be a little considerate, u r gonna give marc nightmares again ●﹏●

http://hiphopwired.com/2013/03/11/kendrick-lamar-tones-down-b-tch-dont-kill-my-vibe-for-espns-sportsnation-videos/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

lol "Girl Don't Kill My Vibe" is totally gonna be his next radio single isn't it

gosh darn i have ladies
gosh darn i have ladies
mothers friends and life partners

ya fish