Dominique hinted at a special secret something in this ballpark too, on top of his own brilliant 365 songs project.
It'd be sad if LSD was never released. But yeah, if OceanLandWorld, Mr And Mrs Smith etc all get a proper rerelease alongside the existing albums, that'd be just as good. I'd buy them all on vinyl and purchase a record player, for fuck's sake.
Would also like to contribute to the next songbook. I could do a poetic contribution to the liner notes! Ah, who knows.
― c'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le beurre (imago), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
I asked about LSD but he hasn't responded. My gut feeling is, Tim's parts were unfinished and he may never be well enough to do them. Either way I think everyone was surprised by how well the tribute album sold so I'd think that LSD would do quite well/raise a lot of cash should it ever see the light of day. If nothing else it's good to know he's taken care of !
― frogbs, Tuesday, 12 March 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
Yikes! That all-star gig sounds totally wrong-headed. Patton and Albarn have no business being onstage with Cardiacs for starters. The others mean well but yeah, what's the point? All those bands that are supposed to sound like Cardiacs never do. Okay, like one Mr Bungle song and some bits of the Silver Ginger 5 album, which is the best Cardiacs related ephemera out there in my opinion. The rest eg. a lot of the ones on the tribute album sound a lot more like the Sea Nymphs than Cardiacs. Cardiacs are a fast, heavy, precise prog band with everything being hit as hard as possible, barked lead vocals and backing vocals shouted out in unison. Trippy keyboards, wispy atonal female backing vocals, echoey plucked strings etc. Yeah it's there in about 5% of their stuff but it's not what made them great.
― everything, Thursday, 14 March 2013 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
I think it would be neat as a one-off show. I agree that Albarn isn't really in the same league (Patton I could kinda buy) but it could raise some cash for Tim and I think it would be a neat thing for the fans regardless. I do keep looking for Cardiacs-inspired stuff (there's even a thread for it) but as you say there's nothing really like them. Maybe albums like VDGG's Godbluff or say Magma's Wurdah Itah have the same heavy/complex vibes but nothing recent that I've found matches up to what Tim does.
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 March 2013 04:58 (eleven years ago) link
Oh yeah, anything that Kavus is involved in (like Knifeworld or Monsoon Bassoon) is really a must have for the average Cardiac fan
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 March 2013 17:38 (eleven years ago) link
Pawn Hearts is the most Cardiacsy VDGG album
Once turned down the opportunity to buy Black Leather Mojo in an HMV. Fucking idiot.
― c'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le beurre (imago), Thursday, 14 March 2013 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's the most expensive single CD I ever bought. It was $35 as a Japanese import and that was HALF PRICE! From HMV too actually.
― everything, Thursday, 14 March 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
I would love a deluxe re-issue of HEAVEN BORN AND EVER BRIGHT, appended with lots of needless filigree, please.
― Alex in NYC, Thursday, 14 March 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
that's the one Cardiacs album I would love to see remastered. it's a really trebly album and desperately needs some low end!
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 March 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
Wot, no revive for the Sing To God vinyl reissue? For shame!
Been pleasantly surprised by the number decent reviews this has been getting on the music blogs, although part of me does wonder where all this positive coverage was when the band were still functioning.
One thing the reviews haven't mentioned is what the mastering is like. The CD version suffered from serious mid-nineties brickwalling (although not as bad as HB&EB), so I'll be curious to hear if this new release "fixes" any of it.
― Pheeel, Friday, 11 July 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link
have already given the DiS reviewer a bit of shit (in a nice way) for only giving it 9/10 - but his and I'd imagine many reviewers' perspectives are going to be unversed - a veritable pondsworth of neophytes, innocently unaware of what is to be unleashed, and then word-strung, agog and running dangerously low on plausible 'x on speed!' canards amidst and after the immersion
― i'm elf-ein lusophonic (imago), Friday, 11 July 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
his review conveyed the giddy jerk of Cardiacs introduction quite well, I thought
anyway, my postman is being SLOW, either that or ABC is
― i'm elf-ein lusophonic (imago), Friday, 11 July 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link
Has anyone actually managed to pre-order this?
― Kitchen Person, Friday, 11 July 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
yeah, by ordering on the morning it was released, m8
― i'm elf-ein lusophonic (imago), Friday, 11 July 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
It looks like I could have pre-ordered it on the 7th but it's actually going on sale on the 14th. As it's limited to 200 copies I'll just give up hope of getting a copy right now.
― Kitchen Person, Friday, 11 July 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link
aw
my CD copy is currently out on loan, in fact - need to make sure I get that back at some point
spent more on this album than on all other recorded music combined over the last maybe 2 or 3 years? but then it is the greatest album ever so
― i'm elf-ein lusophonic (imago), Friday, 11 July 2014 21:43 (ten years ago) link
Rehearsal version of An Ant has randomly popped up. Maybe my least liked early Cardiacs tune, I never really found Jim cute, before this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0yTGM4D1io
― MaresNest, Sunday, 21 September 2014 07:38 (ten years ago) link
^i liked this
ANYWAY, is this a good idea?
fuck it, at some point I'll do a Cardiacs & Affiliated ballot poll and I don't care how many of you vote― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, October 17, 2014 1:24 AM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, October 17, 2014 1:24 AM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
coz, like, XTC are the second greatest English pop band of all time and their poll has me itching for the grand show
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:27 (nine years ago) link
How about a boring normal poll of the live albums? Mostly proposing this cos I have a couple of opinions on it.
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:33 (nine years ago) link
we can do that as well :)
special garage vs mares nest vs rude bootleg vs um some other bootleg? or am i missing one
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:33 (nine years ago) link
Cardiacs Live. Plus discussion of bootlegs, radio bits etc
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:35 (nine years ago) link
this is where I get all weepy about the single bootlegged live recording of Dream Dress that's on Youtube, right
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:36 (nine years ago) link
Certainly you are welcome to do so. I guess we could just have that discussion here but it would lack the drama & focus of a poll thread.
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:41 (nine years ago) link
But yeah, I'd vote in a big poll thing to make up numbers. Never actually done that before - couple of times I started to then after 15 mins I was giving it "fuck lists".
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:44 (nine years ago) link
the trouble with a live albums poll is that I wouldn't know whether to vote for the Garage Concerts or Mares Nest - there are overwhelming ideological reasons to vote for either - and would collapse in a mess of glorious indecision
HOWEVER
a ballot poll could have the following sections:
a) Studio albums of Cardiacs & anything Tim Smith has been a principal songwriter in (Sea Nymphs, Mr & Mrs..., Spratleys Japs)b) Studio tracks of Cardiacs & anything ditto c) Live albums (name your favourite only)d) Studio albums of the Cardiacs extended family (define as you like)e) Studio tracks of the Cardiacs extended family
to be unveiled in the order a-c-d-e-b
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:45 (nine years ago) link
and yeah I mostly subscribe to 'fuck lists' but the opportunity to really engage with Autechre and XTC in the last few weeks has been gladly taken tbh - who knows whom this exercise might inspire!
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:46 (nine years ago) link
No "favourite Cardiac" then?
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:48 (nine years ago) link
we can't let Jim even in with a chance of winning so no
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 01:52 (nine years ago) link
I think (a) should be anything with the Cardiacs name on it and Spratleys etc go under (e) or (d). Not sure you'd need both (d) and (e) actually. Just (e) would be good.
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 01:57 (nine years ago) link
Maybe. But then Spratleys, Sea Nymphs would have the unfair advantage of Tim Smith's songwriting! There's a grey area between Cardiacs-except-in-name and stuff that's completely different. Spratleys is definitely the one I'd most keenly try to argue under the Cardiacs banner, Oceanlandworld as well come to think of it. Some of the songs on those two albums are as brilliant as anything he's done, and (almost) as Cardiacsy
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 02:00 (nine years ago) link
You're probably right that d) is unnecessary though, much as I'd like to proselytise the NSRO at enormous length
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 02:01 (nine years ago) link
You can still do that though.
Also feels like there needs to be space for the radio sessions and bootlegs...they are in the canon. Maybe just add that to the live albums portion?
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 02:05 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, that seems fair.
Oceanlandworld....ah man. It's such an astonishing record. Nobody's bloody heard it. It's completely amazing. It both anticipates and betters all of Britpop, too - This Grounds Town contains all of Blur and then some
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 02:10 (nine years ago) link
(and it's, like, one of the album's comparatively weaker tracks)
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 02:11 (nine years ago) link
See if anyone else weighs in on this after dawn breaks.
― everything, Friday, 17 October 2014 02:50 (nine years ago) link
that sea nymphs peel session is pretty essential
― rushomancy, Friday, 17 October 2014 11:13 (nine years ago) link
Juts piping up to say bring it on! :)
― Noel Emits, Friday, 17 October 2014 11:26 (nine years ago) link
Must fix those juts, come to think of it.
― Noel Emits, Friday, 17 October 2014 11:27 (nine years ago) link
I've been listening to The Sea Nymphs as I have been commuting this week and it never ceases to delight and amaze, I'd love for some learned person to recommend me some related Classical music (other than the obv).
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 12:05 (nine years ago) link
don't think anyone has pushed the Satie paradigm in such interesting directions other than Smith and Drake tbh, but I too would be delighted to hear of a counterexample
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 12:30 (nine years ago) link
I mean, Chilly Gonzalez kinda starts from the same musical base but heads in an altogether far more mundane direction, and sometimes does rubbish raps over it too lol
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 12:39 (nine years ago) link
Stars in Battledress, maybe?
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 17 October 2014 12:52 (nine years ago) link
Yeah but they're 'the obvious', lol
hence why an Affiliated poll on top of the Cardiacs one would be awesome - there's a whole family of this music, quite unlike anything else
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 13:03 (nine years ago) link
I should just ask James Larcombe, there's merely a whip between Bill's Solo material and some Sea Nymphs
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 13:07 (nine years ago) link
If only he still posted here eh?
― Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Friday, 17 October 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link
Just sent him a msg, will report back.
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 13:16 (nine years ago) link
maybe to you! it seems like outside of Cardiacs circles nobody has a clue about them! (sees thread title)
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 17 October 2014 13:37 (nine years ago) link
Hey Frogbs do you like (the band) Levitation?
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 13:42 (nine years ago) link
Okay, James is gonna ask Tim & Bill next time he see's them, so I'll keep you posted.
― MaresNest, Friday, 17 October 2014 13:44 (nine years ago) link
don't know em
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Friday, 17 October 2014 13:58 (nine years ago) link