The National - Trouble Will Find Me

so yeah i'm not one of the people who hates high violet and like alligator and boxer hit sweet melancholic spots that basically no other indie rock does for me; i was kind of bored by "demons" but "sea of love" is great

― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, May 8, 2013 12:42 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark

heh i love alligator / boxer and didn't cotton to high violet; the national are at their best for me when they construct their songs around two, three, really strong hooks; basically all of alligator is like that, parts of boxer. for these new songs, really seems they've found their ear for melody again, and have tightened up the song structures; nothing as meandering and rambling as high violet, i really only fuck with bloodbuzz ohio off that one

I love "England," though -- it sounds like John Cale in orchestral mode.

Vanderlyle! Stuffed with melody and hooks.

in the wrong mood I want to throttle these guys

'throttle' eh

Vanderlyle Crybaby Cry is awesome, I don't really get how ppl can love Alligator and Boxer and hate HV... It's not like it was that much of a departure. Anyway, I hope this one is different somehow because they've mined their goth springsteen with expressionistic lyrics schtick for about as much as its worth, which was a lot (3 classic albums.) i hope this is a disco record in the mode of lcd soundsystem, or something. Their "Some Girls." hate the cover.

If a bunch of tracks already leaked and what i said makes no sense, sorry

a bunch of tracks have been released and they essentially mine the same sound but they're all more complicated

And still no mention of my favorite, 'Sad Songs for Dirty Lovers'. Guess you had to be there? :)

Fwiw I liked High Violet a lot, too. I am refraining from listening to all these songs dripping out though, I am holding out for the album so I can take it in in one go, which seems to be how I enjoy the National the most.

could never get into SSFDL much beyond "Lucky You" which is one of their best songs

That is a beautiful song, yes

agree, that's a good one. my favorite song by them is "slow show" off boxer. i think all their album covers have been borderline disasters though, with this one being the worst. why can't they find a visual aesthetic that fits with their highly developed, distinctive sound?

The text element on the cover of Alligator is awesome fuiud

haha i really love this album cover, and i liked all the high violent variations. v pretty photo on boxer too? idk

i've liked all of them except high violet

I love the s/t one and it's cover

Звуки Му - грубый закат (1995)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfKqjHLdetM

http://youtu.be/WfKqjHLdetM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfKqjHLdetM

lmao

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This has leaked btw

it's nice but nothing as striking as the last album

Much, much preferring this to High Violet on the first several listens. It sustains its mood beautifully, without silly production choices or songs about zombies or clunky financial crisis references. The National's sound is such a delicate thing that even small missteps break the spell completely, and this one doesn't have any missteps.

Berninger's never sung better, but the paradox of this record is how listening to Berninger puts renewed attention on lyrics, which I never wanna do with these guys. I mean: “If you lose me I’m gonna die,” “There’s a science to walking through windows,” and “Don’t tell anyone I’m here/I’ve got Tylenol and beer.”

On first listen: It's very subdued, introvert. Solemn almost. At first I thought it's not really 'waking up', but I agree with Evan that it 'sustains the mood'. It's seems they really carved away the odds 'n sodds and focused on perfecting this one sound. I need to hear it a lot more, but I for one think that is a very admirable approach.

yeah i'm feeling this so far

The album really hit me hard on maybe my third passive listen. Like, really bummed me out in a way most sad music doesn't (and in a way it didn't on my first few active listens to it). I can't wait to take a long, late drive with it and see how it plays.

which I never wanna do with these guys

haha i love the lyrics on alligator and boxer.

I'm put together beautifully
Big wet bottle in my fist, big wet rose in my teeth
I'm perfect piece of ass

lyrics were always integral to my experience of this band

^

i do notice tropes though, he always wants to be carried by something

bc he is drunk

i probably wouldn't listen to this band as much as i have were it not for the lyrics

Wow, just starting in on this and this album sounds about as good as this sort of music gets. Really sad and gorgeous. Def. of a piece with their past, which means, basically, like U2 had U2 taken a different, darker, less populist path.

"Demons" reminds me of "Drive" by the Cars.

"i should live in salt" is a really unassuming opener compared to "fake empire" and "terrible love"

better for it, imo

the national are at their best for me when they construct their songs around two, three, really strong hooks

feel like geese of beverly hill / city middle from alligator are the best examples of this for me, and the lyrics make them, "serve me the sky with a big slice of lemon" / "you were parking your car, you said i'm overwhelmed, you were thinking out loud"

probably the second one is a lil' too on the nose about what a sad sack indie loser finds poignant but *looks in mirror* *laughs nervously*

I'm amazed that (the to all appearances well adjusted) Berninger can so easily shift into this mode. Well, I mean, maybe it's not easy, but he's not dead, so clearly he's got a system.

xxxxp Many, many years ago, when Boxer came out, I asked him about all his lyrics about drinking and pouring a drink and being drunk, etc, because they seemed to reflect the kind of desire to escape from reality and responsibilities that songwriters typically condemn or demonize. But his reasoning for all the drinking references is that he just really enjoys drinking. For him, drinking is a romantic impulse, not a shameful one.

“In songwriting, there aren’t any rules. You don’t have to grow up and be responsible. When I’m sitting, writing lyrics and drinking wine, I don’t want to have to solve the issues in my life or anything else’s, or write a political song. That’s the last thing I wanted to do: I just want to get kind of drunk. And so, for me, the band is the place to do that. The rest of my life is what I take seriously.”

That always stuck with me for some reason. I think a lot of the band's appeal is that the create this safe space where it's ok to just have a drink, consequences be damned

oh so now it's Berninger who wants to start a fight about what's a political song

Let's talk about wine baby, let's talk about you and me

it's ok to just have a drink, consequences be damned

or even have a drink, consequences are then experienced but aren't mediated with any kind of judgment

The other theme I always linked to the Nationals is finance/workplace, which is something I always found refreshing somehow.

For some reason, I've been listening to Berninger as Id (or Super Ego?) to Gregg Dulli's Ego.

Ohio etc.

relistened to high violet and i think the production lets it down; comes off as a nothing-y wash. but i love "lemonworld" and "england"

"England" is grand.

Also, this group epitomizes the maxim that a band is only as good as its drummer.

The contemporary classical bent of whichever one of the brothers is into that stuff really pays off on this album's arrangements.

That is Bryce! His own chamber music is def worth checking out

it's the way that you're going to stop needing to tell me you want me as much as i want you to

Their best album.

yep

I've never top tenned one of their albums before.

me neither, and it usually takes me a while to figure out how i feel about them, cf. the album this thread is named after

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbXnnn8z1tE

i get why people would dismiss "rylan," feels like it's borrowed most of its rumble from "apartment story" to create the most national national song ever, but... it's so catchy

I just thought of perfect "feat. female guest singer" example that kind of pulls off what this album does: "My Curse," by fellow (can it be a coincidence?) Cincinnati sons Afghan Whigs.

Also, maybe "You're Still Standing There" by Steve Earle, when previously more or less AWOL Lucinda Williams suddenly pops up.

I didn't realize that the album was made in such close collaboration with Mike Mills, who even produced. Has he produced anything else?

Marcy Mays on "My Curse" feels to me like much more direct and successful attempt at a counterpoint/perspective change than anything here.

anyway I can already tell this is going to be yet another one of those albums where I stick to listening to my own resequence/edit and get a lot more out of it that way

i made a thread: thread for i am easy to find, the 2019 album by the national and film by mike mills

There are lots of candidates, but this really is the best album by them, isn't it? So sad and pretty.

it is

This is by far my favourite album of theirs. There's real sadness but also exaggerated sadness (played for humour, I think?), similar to what Tindersticks used to do. It's a perfect balance that they haven't managed to duplicate since.