I have never understood what perfect pitch entails tbh
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
Assume it means you know the name and exact pitch of any note you hear, even out of context. Which is usually a good thing but can mess people up if others are not playing at concert pitch or something is tuned down a half-step etc.
― Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:56 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I don't "have" that. I guess my confusion about the term stems from it often being referred to as this mystical "talent" that people just innately have, whereas it seems like the kind of thing anybody should be able to learn with practice. (I have not bothered to practice).
what I was getting at about my not noticing this particular similarity is that I am usually pretty good at recalling/spotting melodies, but since I didn't notice this one maybe it was the difference in key that threw me.
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
There was some popular book recently by a music executive who went back school and started doing brain studies related to music and iirc he said that there was research that showed that at some low level the brain has absolute pitch but most people do not have conscious access to it.
― Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:18 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, I may not have perfect pitch but I can tell the difference between a melody played in different keys
― four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:19 (eleven years ago) link
xp
I can often correctly deduce what key a song is in, but if asked to sing a particular note I can only estimate (though I'm usually within +/- a couple of notes in either direction). From what I understand that doesn't quite qualify as perfect pitch.
My OPO is "Let's Pretend", which sometimes feels like it could be the official song of ~my life~.....
― and in his absence, she (Lee626), Thursday, 9 May 2013 11:58 (eleven years ago) link
"Let's Pretend" also utilizes that Raspbolero beat.
This thread really should have been a POX.
― Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 May 2013 01:21 (eleven years ago) link
I think the highest note in that is D an octave above middle C and it doesn't sound like he's using his falsetto. Incredible voice.
― timellison, Friday, 10 May 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, pretty nice.
Almost think it would be interesting to do TS Raspberries vs. 10cc but I dunno.
― Retreat from the Sunship (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 May 2013 01:48 (eleven years ago) link
How about "On the Beach" from Side 3? Feels like it has about 7 parts -- including a great melancholy verse, a ridiculously optimistic chorus, a fast middle-8, and an excellent "I Want You/She's So Heavy" descending guitar pastiche with seagulls squawking in the background.― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, July 1, 2012 10:21 PM (11 months ago)
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, July 1, 2012 10:21 PM (11 months ago)
― Roddenberry Beret (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 5 June 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link
For a guy who doesn't like the Beatles I'm awfully fond of bands that (try to) sound like them.
On another thread it was suggested that they borrowed heavily from The Small Faces.
That was almost certainly me!
― Gay Briton (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 11:55 (nine years ago) link
Spinning off from the Groupies/Star Mag revive...
https://www.star1973.com/rollswagen.html
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 11 May 2019 18:35 (five years ago) link
Ha, wow, nice. Yeah, it seems like Star really loved this band.
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 May 2019 13:50 (five years ago) link
Lol @ "Rollswagen"
― All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 May 2019 13:51 (five years ago) link
I love that "Go All The Way" has a 4-bar verse and a 16-bar chorus
― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Sunday, 12 May 2019 16:03 (five years ago) link
Otm
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 16:23 (five years ago) link
Awesome! "Ecstasy" is 8-bar verse and 16-bar chorus.
― timellison, Sunday, 12 May 2019 17:00 (five years ago) link
Yeah, it seems like Star really loved this band.
I imagine Capital was greasing the wheels pretty heavily, but it is interesting--if one didn't know any better, by looking at those mags, you would think the Raspberries were as big as the Stones, Bowie, Alice etc.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 12 May 2019 18:35 (five years ago) link
I don't think they really had a song that clicked after "Go All the Way," although you would think any of them - "I Wanna Be with You," "Let's Pretend," "Tonight," "Overnight Sensation" - could have. Maybe they just didn't fit in enough.
― timellison, Sunday, 12 May 2019 22:35 (five years ago) link
Metal Mike Saunders wrote a piece on Raspberries for a late '80s called Swellsville that I wish I still had. One of the things I remember about it was him talking about Raspberries having the courage to open for Blue Oyster Cult at some Chicago show in '73 even though it wasn't their crowd.
― timellison, Sunday, 12 May 2019 22:42 (five years ago) link
Off the top of my head I’d say that maybe at the time things had to signify as either more rock or more pop and they were trying to split the difference which had gone out of fashion. But this is just pure speculation on my part.Xp
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 22:44 (five years ago) link
Never knew that Bruce Springsteen and Max Weinberg were pretty serious fans until I just read about it on Wikipedia.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 22:47 (five years ago) link
maybe at the time things had to signify as either more rock or more pop
Yeah, you would think, but then "Go All the Way" did pretty well. Maybe signifying as pop, I don't know. In any case, they weren't able to follow it up.
Maybe they were too formulaic! "I Wanna Be with You" does that same thing, too, with a 6-bar verse and 16-bar chorus! To me, they are formulaic in an awesome way.
― timellison, Sunday, 12 May 2019 22:59 (five years ago) link
Yeah, to me too, but I don’t always have my finger on the pulsebeat of young America, as has been demonstrated on a few occasions.In other news, listening to a few tracks on this Pop Art Live album and not hating it. Don’t know how many actual Raspberries are on it, but it sounds like Eric singing and the rest sends pretty faithful to the classic sound.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:04 (five years ago) link
Apparently it’s the classic lineup. *takes a breath*
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:08 (five years ago) link
Beatles and Who covers too
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:10 (five years ago) link
https://omnivorerecordings.com/shop/pop-art-live/
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:12 (five years ago) link
From 2004, released in 2017.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:14 (five years ago) link
Another date from later in the tour had been released as Live on Sunset Strip.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:18 (five years ago) link
I think this is it. They remind me of Badfinger in a way because they'd do some hard rock/boogie stuff on their albums, as if to prove they weren't just a pop band, and the hard rock/boogie stuff was almost completely worthless.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:20 (five years ago) link
Yeah, when I wrote that I was even thinking of Badfinger occupying similar territory but getting a pass for the reasons you describe.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:22 (five years ago) link
They had enough power just doing the Carmen pop-rock tunes. "Tonight" could be the New York Dolls or Kiss.
― timellison, Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:23 (five years ago) link
From that reunion tour, on Sunset Strip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07lZSp9yQ-M
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:23 (five years ago) link
(xp) Absolutely, why bother trying to sound like Humble Pie or something.
― Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:26 (five years ago) link
Something else presumably from that reunion tour, this time with proper video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07lZSp9yQ-M
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:27 (five years ago) link
Aargh, sorry, forgot about the cut and paste problem when you try to paste a video after the original one you hit. Hang on a sec.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:28 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XUGbW9hpKk
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:29 (five years ago) link
Okay, Jim seems a wee bit uncomfortable trying to play Michael’s fills on “Overnight Sensation” but otherwise this reunion stuff sounds really good.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:43 (five years ago) link
I like this description here:http://ericcarmen.com/forums/index.php?/topic/7870-jim-bonfanti-or-michael-mcbride/#comment-92126 mikes "refrigerator falling down a flight of stairs" style
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:44 (five years ago) link
But maybe he got more comfortable with it later in the tour, that was from the first night. As is this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhpgjGYIYjk
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:50 (five years ago) link
One more video, from later in the tour:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ErtYeBJS4
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 12 May 2019 23:53 (five years ago) link
This starts off with some annoying stuff from the interviewer but Eric has some great stories to tell: https://observer.com/2017/08/eric-carmen-raspberries-pop-art-live-interview/
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 00:04 (five years ago) link
Part of me wants to go on the Burt Bacharach poll thread and stir things up by saying Eric is just as good a songwriter, better even, but that’s not quite my style right now.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 00:15 (five years ago) link
I successfully chased you guys off the thread, the same way Eric chased the other guys out of the band.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 01:07 (five years ago) link
We are here to support you.
― timellison, Monday, 13 May 2019 01:19 (five years ago) link
Go all the way, man!
Eric is good and inventive, but he's no Bacharach.
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 May 2019 01:24 (five years ago) link
Perhaps I would rather say I prefer the more modest but solid and consistent achievement of someone like Eric to the hits and misses of the other guy.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 01:34 (five years ago) link
Perhaps if I had to watch Cilla Black sing "Let's Pretend" I would feel differently.
― Careless Love Battery (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 13 May 2019 02:21 (five years ago) link