Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America

cool how only white people had the #1 r&b hit since january. congratulations bill werde.

lol you should totally tweet that @ him

February, but still.

lol i believe this week is the first week since the rules have been changed that the song on top of hot r&b/hip-hop songs has been at least top 10 on r&b/hip-hop airplay :(

http://triadstrategies.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a6abf659970b0162fde3889c970d-800wi

chris molanphy tweeted this article from an american idol blog that discusses pretty effectively why florida georgia line breaking the hot country songs #1 longevity record actually has little meaning as an achievement when compared to past hits.

have there been any recent articles on this phenomenon w/r/t the r&b/hip-hop charts? (it does seem to be the case, as some dude noted above, that the country music community seems to be much more outspoken about the effects of this change than r&b/hip-hop.) a recent billboard article on "blurred lines" breaking the #1 longevity record for the nielsen era (which isn't all that terrible, considering the song is at week 11 at #1 on r&b airplay if i am counting correctly, i.e. a bona fide urban radio hit) mentions both "diamonds" and "thrift shop" coming very close to the previous record held by "be without you" but doesn't mention that they were both beneficiaries of the methodological changes.

now this is just chart trivia curiosity, but i am wondering: it is mentioned in that billboard article that the 4 songs that have equaled or exceeded the reign of "blurred lines" (16 weeks) in the whole history of the r&b chart all came in the 1940s. i know the chart has had a history of methodological changes earlier in its life (including one point when it was scrapped altogether) but i don't really know how it used to be put together. was there something about the chart methodology back then, as there is now, that favors long runs at the top? (obv, now it favors long runs at the top for completely different kinds of records (macklemore) than before (louis jordan))

http://www.hotnewhiphop.com/kanye-west-s-8-year-old-record-gone-debuts-on-billboard-charts-news.7622.html

i don't remember offhand the exact numbers, but if the R&B chart had remained airplay-driven over the past year, i believe Miguel's "Adorn" would have shattered all previous records for longevity at #1.

x-post from that linked article:

Let us also note that despite acknowledging that it was the release of the remix with Nelly that led to “Cruise”‘s surge back to #1 on the Hot Country Songs chart and crediting Nelly on the Hot 100 chart, Billboard declined to credit Nelly on the Hot Country Songs chart.

linked article that dyl posted

http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/10/23/alison-golds-chinese-food-billboard-hot-100/

Back in the day, political speeches - if released on 7" - could make the Top 40, like this top 5 hit in 1974 (hearing Casey Kasem at the end is a mind-blower)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07oVR1SDi6k

(this was actually a COVER of an essay, the original charted down in the 30s)

so I'm wondering, let's say some pundit makes a big speech, and commercially releases it on mp3 (proceeds going to charity). If it becomes a viral hit, Billboard would logically include it in the top 40, right?

i imagine so, yeah. spoken word albums can go on the music charts (although obviously rarely sell well enough to actually do so).

maybe Obama is scheming on a speech that could become his "Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)" with the right backing track before his term is over

lol

Rebecca Black must be so annoyed.

"friday" would have done SO well on the charts

x-post If that's the case Right-wing PACs are going to be hiring a hundred thousand people to do nothing but click on Ted Cruz speeches on YouTube all day

maybe Obama is scheming on a speech that could become his "Everybody's Free (To Wear Sunscreen)" with the right backing track before his term is over

― ur literally called somedude btw thanx for the transparency (some dude), Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no way his marketing team doesn't have a bunch of these in the can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9gLqh8tmPA&feature=youtu.be

let's get this trailer for a new apple product on the charts

this is such bullshit

Lorde's 'Royals' Expands Reign To R&B Radio

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what next - elton john?

Arcade Fire

Saw that ad but was so impressed by the pencil I couldn't remember what it was about

Noticed there are two Eminem songs super high on the hip-hop/R&B charts this week. Do your rap stations ever play Eminem? Mine never, never never never does. (tbf It has a very long history of NOT playing Eminem, but still, it's an interesting example of a station ignoring the charts).

I ask, in part, because it's possible there soon could be rap stations out there playing Lorde but not playing Eminem

i'm not mad at 'royals' on R&B radio, it already basically sounds made for it

yeah so do a lot of other songs by lady singers that aren't getting airplay

UGH LORDE MAKES ME SO MAD

I should sit down and figure out what it is about Lorde that is shielding me from my normal phobic reaction to stuff like this, particularly when everyone else I know who tends along similar taste lines is hating the fuck out of her and my main reaction is "her big song is eh but these other songs RULE"

i just mean, lorde sounds like she would fit in on R&B radio easily. vs. say miley cyrus, whose shit—politics aside—sounds more like a mainstream pop record

Noticed there are two Eminem songs super high on the hip-hop/R&B charts this week. Do your rap stations ever play Eminem? Mine never, never never never does. (tbf It has a very long history of NOT playing Eminem, but still, it's an interesting example of a station ignoring the charts).

― Evan R, Friday, October 25, 2013 4:30 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah if you wanna see the hip-hop/R&B chart without all the itunes/YouTube stuff factored in, there's still an airplay-only chart:
http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-r-and-b-hip-hop-airplay

definitely no Eminem on there, only songs of his that have gotten any rap radio play the last 10 years were the one with Rihanna and the one with Drake/Kanye/Wayne.

improbably, i remember the one with the haddaway sample being big for like ten days, but you may dismiss that fairly as anecdotal

Radio has all-around been ignoring Eminem this year. He's being kept afloat by his very big, very dedicated fanbase buying his songs.

yeah "No Love" was a very minor urban radio hit (#59 on hip-hop/R&B) and did slightly better on pop radio (#20 on Pop Songs). "Berzerk" is starting to get some pop radio play but not a ton.

Eminem is on the very shortlist of rap artists (along with Lil Jon and Dr. Dre circa Chronic 2001) whose old hits are still played constantly on my Kiss FM station, with otherwise almost completely avoids music made before 2012. Not sure if that reflects a local preference or if there's some L.A. Clear Channel CEO who just really rides for those old songs and makes all stations play them

they've been playing "royals" on hot 97 for a few weeks now

they played the Weeknd remix of "Royals" on one rap station for a sec but have since moved onto the original

in baltimore, i mean

weeknd seems like one of those dudes all ppl in urban industry know about & care about but sorta, in the abstract, rather than playing on the radio say

well i mean those stations all played the shit out of "Wicked Games" and "Crew Love." but yeah the remix of "Royals" seems like something they strategized to help break the song in that format but in the end the original had such wide appeal that it was a moot point.

"her big song is eh but these other songs RULE"

tbh I haven't heard any of her other songs

between the top 40 and rhythmic stations in my city i am actually hearing "berzerk" a decent amount. the actual hip-hop station hasn't touched him tho (unless he's featuring on someone else's track). but yeah "royals" is getting A LOT of play on that station now :\

i had assumed that maybe it was solicited to that format but the billboard article says that these are unsolicited plays. i really am wondering how this happened.

i will laugh/cry if billboard decides to add her to the main r&b chart, where she would debut at #1.

my local radio top ten consists of "Royals," "Berzerk," Avicii, and uh "Still Into You."

Only four songs in the top ten, that's Florida for you.

if billboard hadn't fucked up their charts you could actually get a good reading of 'royals' dispersal on r&b radio. curious whether two years ago they would've had to make any call at all or if it would've just shown up on the r&b charts due to it's success in the r&b markets. i'm guessing someone at billboard back in 1974 didn't just decide 'bennie and the jets' was r&b, r&b djs and listeners decided it was and even then it peaked at #15 r&b while it went to #1 pop. just incompetent methodology and i'm not convinced that the death of black record stores or consolidation of radio stations really made billboard's job here more difficult, don't buy for a second there's less data now about the markets and listenerships of tracks than there was forty years ago.

Any connection? http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/24770319

Katy Perry has topped the US album chart in its worst week for sales since the early 1990s.

Prism, the singer's fourth studio album, went to number one in the Billboard 200 chart on Wednesday despite overall sales for the week being the lowest since 1991.

The album sold 286,000 copies in its first week, according to figures from Nielsen SoundScan.

It is the biggest sales week by a female artist this year.
Album sales have generally been lower this year compared with last year, partly because of listeners finding new digital platforms to consume music and often for free.

Katy Perry's album came ahead of Miley Cyrus' Bangerz, which sold 270,000 copies in its first week earlier this month.

Prism, the singer's fourth studio album, went to number one in the Billboard 200 chart on Wednesday despite overall sales for the week being the lowest since 1991.

weird sentence. isn't it easier to go number one against a bunch of low selling records?

Yeah, the "despite" is the problem.

Why is it the lowest since 1991? Would think that would be more sales than now