― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 February 2003 01:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Juan (Juan), Monday, 3 February 2003 01:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― shane, Saturday, 30 August 2003 03:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 30 August 2003 03:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 30 August 2003 12:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
and i'm beginning to reconsider my vote fer sabbath b/c THEY DID NOT HAVE THE FUNK ... while zeppelin DID.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:13 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link
i still think that mistah sinkah said it best ... "led zep = layered stuido-pop written played by bubblegum session musicians, sung by a hobbit muthafucka; sabbath = rewrite of laws of music hurrah (with silliness thinly smeared on top to confuse fools)."
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 28 October 2004 04:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Piers (piers), Thursday, 28 October 2004 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Prehistoric Hobbit, Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link
I don't know. Sabbath actually sound more like early Funkadelic to me than Zep does. "Super Stupid" could almost be a Sabbath song.
― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:13 (nineteen years ago) link
I think the Funkadelic comparision is a particularly good one, myself.
― M Carty (mj_c), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link
Listen to "Supernaut" again.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 29 October 2004 01:10 (nineteen years ago) link
Misty Mountain HopDancing DaysCustard PieCandy Store RockRoyal OrleansOut on the TilesHouses of the HolyHots On For Nowhere...
fuck, ALL of it. that's why they were the best.
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 29 October 2004 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link
Tad's right that they're pretty different. Esp post-II, Zep aren't even really 'heavy' at all, more like blues- and folk-rock with a serious avant/improv/sometimes-proggish bent, this wacked-out funky fusion act. I think I mentioned before that I sometimes think you can hear more of them today in stuff that's associated with jazz (and maybe in pop-rock!) than in heavy rock.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:35 (nineteen years ago) link
Why do people seem to complain so much more about their LOTR- or mythology-based lyrics (which I prefer to the LOTR movies) than their overtly misogynist songs? Does the latter just seem obvious?
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 29 October 2004 05:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 29 October 2004 07:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 29 October 2004 07:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 29 October 2004 07:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Friday, 29 October 2004 09:51 (nineteen years ago) link
A couple obvious examples: "Dazed and Confused" ("soul of a woman was created below"), "Whole Lotta Love" ("I'm gonna send you back to schoolin'"), "Black Dog" ("I don't know but I been told a big-legged woman ain't got no soul"). I love all these songs but if anything, these seem more problematic than the LOTR-ish lyrics, which I kind of like.
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:17 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 29 October 2004 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link
(Actually, that's another issue unto itself that you raise)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 29 October 2004 19:31 (nineteen years ago) link
WHO REALLY SAID THAT JIMMI WAS TONY'S DADDY.IF YOU REALLY LISTEN TO JIMMIS SOLOS ARE PRETTY DIRTY AND JIMMI HAD TO USED TO GUITARS TO SOUND LIKE ONE THATS WHAT COULD I SAY GREAT. WHIILETONY DID NOT HAD FINGER TIPS AND ONLY USE ONE GUITAR TO SOUND LIKE TWO OKAY. yOU SHOULD LISTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE SOME SABBATH SO YOU COULD GET A BETTER OPINION i KNOW YOU GUYS LIKE ZEPPELIN BUT YOU GOTA OPEN YOUR MIND AND LISTEN TO MORE MUSIC. LISTEN TO
PARANOID,WARPIGS,FAIRY WERA BOOTS,RAT SALAD,NIB,IRON MAN,SWEATLEAF,SNOWBLIND,SUPERNAT,THE WIZARD,SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH I COULD JUST KEEP ON GOING DONT BE IGNORENT AND LISTEN TO ONE EXPLORE DIFFERENT TYPE OF MUSIC THERE'S MORE BANDS THAT PEOPLE DONT MENTION.BLACK SABBATH WAS ACTUALLY CONSIDER LIKE UNDER GROUND BAND NO GONE WANTED TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO PLAY IN THEIR STAGE AND THEY STILL MADE IT WHILE LED ZAPPELIN ALL THE OPUTUNITIES BUT IF IT WASNT FOR THAT ZAPPELIN WAS NOTHING COMPARE TO SABBATHI COULD TALK SHIT ABOUT LED ZAPPELIN THAT AINT GANA GET NO WERE...........
― MYER, Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:22 (nineteen years ago) link
-- mark s (mar...), November 25th, 2001.
I think this might actually be the greatest single sentence review on ILX.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link
Without warning A wizard walks by
Is it normal for there to be a warning when a wizard walks by? Perhaps someone comes along ringing a bell and shouts, 'He ye! Hear ye! A wizard will soon be walking by!' But in this case, it didn't happen: there was no warning. The wizard just walked by and took everyone by surprise.
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link
"heavy boots of leadfills his victims full of dreadrunning as fast as they caniron man lives again!"
-- which are either the SILLIEST lyrics evah AND/OR the GREATEST lyrics evah!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:47 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, maybe he was a crafty wizard, UNBELIEVER.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 January 2005 03:51 (nineteen years ago) link
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 2 January 2005 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 2 January 2005 07:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble..., Sunday, 2 January 2005 07:43 (nineteen years ago) link
my heart says sabbath, but my head says zeppelin. if zeppelin were hippy-romanticists deep down -- content to smoke their pot and bang hippie chicks while grooving to joni mitchell songs -- then sabbath were their acid-licking evil cousins. except that they really weren't -- it's just that the studio boffins (page and jones) called the shots for zeppelin, whilst sabbath all were bar-band beer-guzzlers. (i know that this leaves plant as the odd man out, that bonham by himself could outdrink ALL of sabbath [except maybe ozzy], and that iommi later became something of a studio hobbit himself, but allow me to indulge anyway).
-- sabbath hired rick wakeman for an album. does that change yer mind a little bit wr2 them, ned?
-- for a band that many rather lazily assume to have been "stupid," sabbath actually seem in retrospect to be a helluva lot smarter than given credit for. it may've been inevitable that someone would have taken the heavy 60s rock-blues of cream or blue cheer (or zeppelin) to their logical ends, but it's also true that the band that did that WAS sabbath -- and that doing so showed both musical sophistication AND commercial savvy. a better adjective for sabbath, instead of "stupid," would probably be "crass" -- clapton and jones were clearly too constrained by "good taste" and notions of how to "properly" play the blues to go whole-hog into the ultra-heavy riffage or proto-gothy lyrics/image of classic sabbath. (blue cheer, on the other hand, now THEY were truly just a bunch of dumb-asses who got lucky -- which is why we are talking here about sabbath and not them).
-- wakeman and crassness notwithstanding, sabbath never did -- and probably couldn't -- go full-out prog. while zeppelin could've easily out-yessed yes if they were ever so inclined. (goodly portions of, say, tales from topographic oceans sound to my ears VERY similar to certain musical tropes used by zeppelin from time to time). on the other hand, genesis-era peter gabriel probably out-gothed ozzy -- as could've jimmy "i love aleister crowley, smack, and barely-pubescent teens" page if he wasn't so full of himself (and into said barely-pubescent teens).
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 2 January 2005 11:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Sunday, 2 January 2005 12:17 (nineteen years ago) link
Eisbar's right - Sabb weren't stupid, they were unconstrained by musicianly ideas of how to play the blues properly, and therefore were more free to push into more extreme territory. After all, what has Gothic horror got to do with good manners and paying one's dues?
― the music mole (colin s barrow), Sunday, 2 January 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Hey, so did Bowie. Sometimes all that's needed is the right context.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 2 January 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Triple Ho, Sunday, 2 January 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThU9BOWcmjM&
― Moka, Tuesday, 28 September 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Right because drummers are supposed to write songs
Neil Peart to thread
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 00:34 (two years ago) link
I definitely don't think the Dio albums (aka Geezer and the Italians per Oz) are crap.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:32 (two years ago) link
I remember buying Heaven and Hell when it came out. I was very pleasantly surprised. It still holds up OK. Mob Rules is forgettable other than the title track. The rest . . . meh. 13 was surprisingly good, if only because it sounds like a Sabbath album, albeit a very tired one.
To his credit, Dio, unlike, say, Sammy Hagar, did not try to overshadow or denigrate his predecessor. He seemed like a solid dude and a really good singer. I saw him with his own band once at the state fairgrounds and it was a decent show. At least they didn't open for a puppet show.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:38 (two years ago) link
Great Sabbath albums:
s/tParanoidMaster of RealityVol. 4Sabbath Bloody SabbathSabotageHeaven and HellMob RulesThe Devil You Know
Great Led Zeppelin albums:IIIVDisc 1 of Physical Graffiti
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:46 (two years ago) link
Good lord
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 01:47 (two years ago) link
yeah gun to my head it’s prob Zep, even if I kind of overdid it with them in hs & college
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 02:04 (two years ago) link