Kendrick Lamar will kill your favorite rapper for money

yeah i suppose it's meaningful in a inkblot kind of way. but it also makes sense to me how Kendrick would see himself in the lineage of Eminem and Jay but not T.I.

i always thought T.I. was a dude who saw himself in that lineage ... i mean for awhile ppl were calling him the jay of the south or whatever

yeah...i think a lot of the status afforded to Jay or Em (or even Wayne) is that they kept making blockbusters even after the fell off, and T.I. ended up without that kid of longevity at that level. obviously doesn't mean much about music, but it has let him gradually slide out of those conversations.

all i typed was "k" in youtube search box and it suggested this

i guess ill listen to it

did Paul McCartney really tell him he was a black Beatle?

im trying to imagine being a music writer having to generate a thousand or something words on this

its pretty easily done tbh

i mean it's a hot button topic for ppl ... kendrick was trending worldwide & claimed to be the king of another city. thats a big deal in rap, so its easy to talk about the state of the genre or whatever

no, i get it i guess. im just personally bored to death by kendrick more often than not. also i just realized i think ive been walking around w my fly unzipped for the past few hrs so prob dont deserve 2 haev an opinion abt anything much at all

bitch, don't kill our vibe

looking forward to response tracks that are all adverbs, prepositions, articles, quantifiers, and adjectives.

(can u imagine drake trying harder)

hahahahah

i mean why else would he mention (fellow LA resident) tyler the creator but not someone like idk danny brown

― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, August 13, 2013 8:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

everyone mentioned in this song is someone he is personally friends with, which he says explicitly before he starts listing names

which, i think that's basically the long and short of it

He still didn't mention anyone in his own crew though. I guess that was polite of him but it also implicitly places them below the people he did mention.

in some ways this "healthy, mutually respectful competition" model exposes how silly the traditional beef model is...not that beef driven by real personal animus isn't compelling, but surely in most rap beefs, fans of one artist will also be fans of the other...there's a sort of, who exactly is being pitted against who pointlessness to a lot of them. nicki vs kim, for example. (would looooove to see kendrick vs nicki tbh.) fanbase beefs seem much more common in pop now (and it makes sense that the most personally aggressive rapper out there is prob az banks).

anyway the thrill of kendrick's verse isn't necessarily that he's calling anyone out or naming names - for me it's purely his delivery.

Tangentially, re: beefs, I love how Angel Haze has become the anti-Azealia Banks and befriended everybody: Haim, Grimes, Iggy Azalea. She's probably just nice but I like to think she's doing it to wind up Banks.

oh i'm 100% sure Haze and Azalea bonded over that, iirc AZB actually tweeted something like "WHY ARE MY ENEMIES ALL TEAMING UP" when that happened

though tbh if anyone wanted to wind up AZ Banks, I'm not sure they'd need to go out of their way to do anything. Merely existing seems to do the trick most of the time.

He still didn't mention anyone in his own crew though. I guess that was polite of him but it also implicitly places them below the people he did mention.

― longneck, Wednesday, August 14, 2013 3:07 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think it's the opposite really. he's not trying to murder schoolboy, absoul, etc. because that's his team, he wants them to win too.

i think the thing that initially set rap twitter on fire was the "king of new york" claim, not necc the calling out of specific rappers

Wanting to be the King of NY in 2013 is kinda sad though.

the king of ny stuff has been a part of it but there's also just been a lot of #rapperskendrickdidntmention type trending topics

yeah obviously the naming became a part of it but on monday night the first set of tweets i saw were about king of ny. but it could just be my wing of rap twetter

i think it seems like a more audacious claim at first than it really is

There are already like four responses by rappers not mentioned in the verse

lol what do yall think of Lupe's

Just in case you were wondering what joell ortiz thought about the situation

okay Lupe's 2 Chainz ghostwrite is kind of hilarious

in some ways this "healthy, mutually respectful competition" model exposes how silly the traditional beef model is...not that beef driven by real personal animus isn't compelling, but surely in most rap beefs, fans of one artist will also be fans of the other...

― lex pretend, Wednesday, August 14, 2013

99% of canibus' fans to thread

99% of his fans don't exist

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kendrick lamar will passively aggressively mention your favorite rapper for money

SEO rap

Oh, wait, sorry, I guess someone got there already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnSJBpB_OKQ

Sorry roger

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will totes guest on your next thread

ha

waiting on a DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince diss response track. fingers crossed please please.

TNC:

I should say from the jump that I think beef rap is overrated and mostly stands out on gossip points. I found "No Vaseline" amusing, but it was never transformative in the way "Bird In Hand" "Summer Vacation" or "Colorblind" (My God, "Colorblind") was. Likewise I don't think "Ether" makes my top ten of Nas' greatest, and I would take "Feelin' It," "You Must Love Me," "Dead Presidents II," "Neva Change," "Threat" and an assortment of other Jay-Z tracks before I got to "The Takeover." The only really dis song I truly love is the one that everyone else loves--"The Bridge Is Over."

So there's that. You are talking to man with significant bias. Nevertheless, I view Kendrick's verse as an epilogue for Good Kid, and (if he's lucky) a prologue for everything next. Even the idea of taking disrespect feels beside the point. In what creative field do artists not feel as though they are trying to end all competition, even the artists they are friendly with? Were the MCs of Wu not competing with each other? Did Busta not feel pressure to be the best when he ran the anchor leg of "Scenario?" Did he not basically obliterate everyone else on the track? I must think that Viola Davis was trying to blow Meryl Streep away. ("Sister you ain't going against no man in a robe and win.") I think Fitzgerald, Ellison and Hemingway were all trying kill every author in their vicinity. It's certainly the case in business. Only in hip-hop (where whole magazines are dedicated to who doesn't like who) is this disrespect

Nevertheless, I view Kendrick's verse as an epilogue for Good Kid, and (if he's lucky) a prologue for everything next.

Interesting that he says this, because I feel like "Cartoon & Cereal" played a similar role in tying together the generational themes of Section.80 and the environmental violence of GKMC.

In what creative field do artists not feel as though they are trying to end all competition, even the artists they are friendly with?

no this is actually the weird thing about "competition" in creative endeavours, because it's not like sports or even business where you can objectively be the best. rap beef (and latterly pop beef etc) is all very entertaining but

1) competition between artists is a flawed concept b/c people can easily be fans of more than one artist
2) blah blah blah subjectivity

beefing about sales is tedious because businessmen and marketing are tedious

i mean it IS all amusing but it's also completely illogical

it's not really as illogical in hip-hop as it is in other creative endeavors though because literally "battling" and having competitions was inherent in hip hop culture from the very beginning, so it's always been viewed as part of it

& this took place before hip hop was a real commercial commodity or really marketed

Was the verse considered disrespectful? Most of the reactions I saw were in the lines of 'hell yeah beef is back' and 'pretty cool Kendrick now look at my verse' rather than outrage and controversy.

it was seen as disrespectful by people in new york, mostly

beefing about sales is tedious because businessmen and marketing are tedious

<3 you for this

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