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I like Syd's solo albums, but I'm kinda ashamed to like them. They sound a lot like, "Oooh! Look at the scary crazy person!" Totally exploitative.

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 12 May 2004 20:05 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...

Still not enough love for Meddle in this world. All these years and I think I've only just appreciated quite how pretty "A Pillow of Winds" is -- there's yer acid folk.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 05:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle is my favorite Floyd album. Doesn't reach the heights of some of the others, but so what.

― Chesty Joe Morgan (Chesty Joe Morgan), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Ned you are also otm about Gilmour being an underrated guitarst and singer. In his solos, he has (had) and outstanding knack for picking the exact right notes at the exact right time, eliminating all that is superfluous, and creating beautiful, memorable melodic lines.

― Chesty Joe Morgan (Chesty Joe Morgan), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:20 (seventeen years ago) link

said it before but with the recent interest in psyche folk it makes sense for people to be all into that post-syd pre dark side period where they'd vacillate between acoustic stuff and way out stuff. If, Cymbaline, Green is the Colour...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:24 (seventeen years ago) link

SIDE ONE MORE SOUNDTRACK

― Tim Ellison = NUMBER ONE ADVOCATE OF YOU-KNOW-WHAT ON NU-ILX!!! (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 06:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle is AWESOME, as is Animals and Wish You Were Here. And The Wall.

UM AND WHAT ABOUT ATOM HEART MOTHER???

and obscured by clouds. it's a toss up for me, my fav - it's just too hard. all of these are phenomenal.

― Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

For some reason I've probably listened to Atom Heart Mother more than most other Pink Floyd albums, probably due to the fact that I bought it right before my musical tastes went stagnant for a couple years.

I was listening to Ratatat the other day and it really reminded me of it!

― mh. (mike h.), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

i know, atom heart mother is aamaaaazing

summer '68 (8 not 9, right?) is CRAAAAAZY!

― Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

In his solos, he has (had) and outstanding knack for picking the exact right notes at the exact right time, eliminating all that is superfluous

In the "Live At Pompeii" film, you see Gilmour doing just that, recording a solo note-by-note...

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link

the first track on atom heart mother is magnificent as well

― Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Was just listening to "Fearless" from Meddle this AM and it sounds fantastic.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:39 (seventeen years ago) link

ugh fearless is so timeless. it's just gorgeous

― Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle is one of the reasons that my wife and I got together. Drunken convo at a bar about 6 years ago re: favorite albums of all time, and my wife (a relative newcomer to our circle of friends at the time) interjected with Meddle. We all appreciated the screwball alternative to our respective favorites.

Upon moving to the West Coast, and this may simply be the friends that my wife has, but it seems like EVERYONE grew up learning to play Pink Floyd, as opposed to my bluegrass/blues upbringing. So, whereas Hendrix, Cream, Bill Monroe, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf and Tony Rice are common musical vernacular b/t my East Coast friends, all these Californians seem to immediately fall into Gilmour-era Floyd when in a jam setting. Somewhat frustrating b/c they aren't as tasteful and understated as Gilmour.

I actually haven't put on a Floyd album in a LONG time, and, upon reflection, I feel no need to. Still, they were relatively popular during my high school years, but, like Zep, Aerosmith, and BTO, I file them under the "Ah, yes....Floyd" category of memories.

― B.L.A.M. (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link

nice story about your wife! See Floyd still gets considerable play in my apt. I could never compare them to Aerosmith tho!

― Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle is my favorite as well. TBH I think that Pink Floyd are at their best writing songs as opposed to 26 minute freakouts.

For my money everything up to (and including) Wish You Were Here is good. Then Waters' misanthropy gets the better of their way and liking the Floyd is solely the preserve of over earnest slightly dim students.

― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

but i wonder if acid folk and space rock wasn't popular now, people here would still say the Meddle area records are classic:

i think, in the middle 90's they were Dud almost all the way among indie kids.
(Piper was always exceptional).

― emekars (emekars), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Sur, I guess I agree with you re: direct comparison b/t 'Smith and Floyd, but I group them together b/c the classic rock radio station I grew up hearing (100GRX out of Baltimore, RIP) leaned heavily on those bands. Musically, pretty fucking far apart, I will completely grant you.

― B.L.A.M. (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

IMO, animals and the wall are absolutely just as good as wish you were here, if not better. i have a real soft spot for animals.

― Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

people here would still say the Meddle area records are classic

It's been one of my favorites ever since I first heard it, thanks very much -- and that was almost twenty years back.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

i have a real soft spot for animals.

That's against the law y'know.

― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

who trusts indie kids anyway? i think meddle holds its own without labels - it's not really acid, space or indie.

― Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle has always been my favorite too - since I was played it by a friend's biker bf at Uni a decade ago. He also introduced me to Sabbath, Zeppelin, Gong and Motorhead. God bless you Ray, wherever you are.

― Treblekicker (treblekicker), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i should listen to Meddle again.used to like it when i was 16, was bored with it at 20.i wonder if i'll like it now, 10 years after.

― emekars (emekars), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Hell yeah you should. I went through pretty much the same up-down thing. Loved Floyd in my teens, burned out in my early 20s, found I loved 'em again (or at least loved certain records, like Meddle) in my 30s.

It's like eating a cake, and then forgetting about it, and then getting a new cake. Sure, it's familiar, but it's still fucking cake!

― Adam Beales (Pye Poudre), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

this thread made me put on meddle. can't understand anyone being bored with this record, unless you're some completely jaded punkasfuxor type.

― shanghaied by the dragon lady (get bent), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link

An entire Arthur/Terrastock festival can be created just out of "One Of These Days."

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i know i love that track

― Surmounter (rra123), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

another vote for Meddle as best Floyd LP.

― sleeve version 2.0 (sleeve testing), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Chalk up one more for Meddle. "Echoes" = best thing they ever put to tape.

― LC (Damian), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

but i wonder if acid folk and space rock wasn't popular now, people here would still say the Meddle area records are classic:

i think, in the middle 90's they were Dud almost all the way among indie kids.
(Piper was always exceptional).

I have always championed Meddle/Dark Side/WYWH/Animals to skeptical guitar-solo-hating indie kids and Barrett-only snobs. It's funny that now indie rockers are deciding it's ok to jam, especially since they do it so much worse than their forebears.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Meddle is very good, yes, and all it needed was a killer single track at 4 instead of Seamus and San Tropez and it'd have been their best album. As it stands, my favourite is Ummagumma, because a) the live album is unimpeachable and was played to me a lot when I was very, very young, and b) the studio album is a fantastic idea, and contains 'The Narrow Way', which I regard as awesome (and OMG the effects Gilmour gets are out of this world for 1970!).

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:57 (seventeen years ago) link

"San Tropez" is the very definition of an enjoyably breezy goof and "Seamus" justifies itself by being the theme song to the film of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, I suppose they lighten the mood and offer a rest-stop between that simply awe-inspiring, mighty ballad 'Fearless', and 'Echoes', one of the scariest, trippiest, most definitive rock epics in history.

Echoes genuinely terrified me when I was younger, this is true. Especially when listened to in the dark.

― to scour or to pop? (Haberdager), Thursday, 18 January 2007 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm...intermittently classic-ish, anyways. I agree with the complaints about their leaden tempos and general lethargy, however intentional. Ummagumma remains my favourite. (Ironically so, since I can imagine that, at the time, many Floyd fans considered it a half-arsed water-treading ripoff, as opposed to the weirdest, most experimental LP they ever made.) Other faves are "Piper" and "Meddle". And one of these days (ha), I may give "Atom Heart Mother" a second listen.

Their huge '70s hit LPs barely register with me anymore. As for everything post '79, I don't wanna know.

― M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

...but hmmm, it seems that scour already said everything I wanted to say, and in fewer words too! So, just read his (her?) post instead.

― Myonga Von Boring (M. Agony Von Bontee), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Gilmour's guitar sound is one of the obsequious (in a good way) tones I've ever heard. The millisecond before the solo on Comfortably Numb where you can sense the guitar being switched on is chillingly good.

― Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Animals is good, but there's something about it that bothers me; it's always sound muffled to me (vinyl versions and even the cd remaster), or kind of thuddy. It's obviously intentional; there aren't a lot of shiny keys on it like there are on Wish, and I miss those, I guess.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 18 January 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

to me, the muffled comes across as dreamy...

so dreamy...

― Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 18 January 2007 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Haha, bizarrely Dom and I and a couple of other Stylus guys were just chatting about Floyd on the Stylus staff board, and I mentioned that Meddle was one of the few PF things I liked.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 18 January 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Ummagumma when they hit on a kind of "fake avant-garde" thing is actually pretty good, mainly because they clearly had no idea what they were supposed to be doing. I agree with Nick that "Meddle" is decent too, not too much dull white blues workouts or "authentic" pie chewing vocals by Gilmour either (eugh). The "Wall" tracks with the maxed out folkie/self pitying bastard sound are quite amusing (not the mysogynist stadium blues work-outs tho, obviously). And the spacerock Syd bits with AMM influenced guitar work are nice. The rest is stodgy and rubbish.

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Thursday, 18 January 2007 21:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't know what I was on about back there.

― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I need some more support for The Wall and Animals here. I feel a lack. I mean Meddle is awesome but so is a lot of their stuff!!!

― Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember everyone seconding The Wall as "Greatest Album You'll Never Listen To Again" on a past thread.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 18 January 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

obscured by clouds kicks ass too.

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I haven't really enjoyed The Wall since I was 14, and I doubt I ever will again - a few good cuts though.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:09 (seventeen years ago) link

i do love obscured by clouds.

OMG really?? i can totally stick in the wall right now - in fact i think i will. hold on.

okay here we go. see i like this.

haha, is that empirical evidence or WHAT??

i love the synth nostalgia thing they go for with the slow numbers. nice sheen to it.

― Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Wish You Were Here I need to get on CD - i only have the tape. or maybe i don't even anymore. i love the shine on your crazy diamonds. synths like that would play in my dreams, if i dreamt of synths.

― Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link

*you

― Surmounter (rra123), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been raiding the PF bootleg archive sites again now that folks are coordinated enough to fill in missing tracks and fix recording speed problems. Bottom line: you can't go wrong AT ALL with any decent quality live gig from 1970 - 1975. My fave recording at the moment is an early 1973 show with an astonishingly great live version of "Obscured By Clouds" where Wright flips out on the Moog for 10 minutes.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 18 January 2007 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

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Did they? I thought it sounded fantastic, but it's the only mono Piper I've heard.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 October 2016 02:07 (eight years ago) link

well i think it was just one of the channels that was fucked up. since we're dealing with a mono recording anyway it's not exactly the end of the world, y'know?

― a confederacy of lampreys (rushomancy), Friday, 7 October 2016 02:08 (eight years ago) link

Chris Blair from Abbey Rd caught a lot of flack from the Hoffman types for cutting off the end of Flaming, introducing some clicks and a bit of a botch noise reduction/EQ combo.

― MaresNest, Friday, 7 October 2016 10:50 (eight years ago) link

five years pass...

i like everything pretty much except the final cut and atom heart mother!

― xzanfar, Saturday, 4 December 2021 19:07 (two years ago) link

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