Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

timely revive! i just got word from the powers that be @ work that we're getting Robert Plant here as part of Nonesuch Records' 50th anniversary festival! i saw Page and Plant yearrs back at Jones Beach but this is still pretty cool.

I love the sequencing on the first box set (1991?) It's back and forth, but generally forward.

Disc 1
1 Whole Lotta Love (5:34)
2 Heartbreaker (4:14)
3 Communication Breakdown (2:28)
4 Babe I'm Gonna Leave You (6:40)
5 What Is and What Should Never Be (4:43)
6 Thank You (4:46)
7 I Can't Quit You Baby (4:15)
8 Dazed and Confused (6:26)
9 Your Time Is Gonna Come (4:14)
10 Ramble On (4:23)
11 Travelling Riverside Blues (5:09)
12 Friends (3:54)
13 Celebration Day (3:28)
14 Hey Hey What Can I Do (3:55)
15 White Summer/Black Mountain Side (8:01)
Disc 2
1 Black Dog (4:55)
2 Over the Hills and Far Away (4:46)
3 Immigrant Song (2:23)
4 The Battle of Evermore (5:51)
5 Bron-Y-Aur Stomp (4:17)
6 Tangerine (2:57)
7 Going to California (3:32)
8 Since I've Been Loving You (7:23)
9 D'Yer Mak'er (4:23)
10 Gallows Pole (4:58)
11 Custard Pie (4:13)
12 Misty Mountain Hop (4:38)
13 Rock and Roll (3:41)
14 The Rain Song (7:39)
15 Stairway to Heaven (8:01)
Disc 3
1 Kashmir (8:32)
2 Trampled Under Foot (5:35)
3 For Your Life (6:20)
4 No Quarter (7:01)
5 Dancing Days (3:42)
6 When the Levee Breaks (7:07)
7 Achilles Last Stand (10:23)
8 The Song Remains the Same (5:28)
9 Ten Years Gone (6:32)
10 In My Time of Dying (11:04)
Disc 4
1 In the Evening (6:50)
2 Candy Store Rock (4:07)
3 The Ocean (4:30)
4 Ozone Baby (3:35)
5 Houses of the Holy (4:03)
6 Wearing and Tearing (5:29)
7 Poor Tom (3:02)
8 Nobody's Fault But Mine (6:27)
9 Fool in the Rain (6:13)
10 In the Light (8:45)
11 The Wanton Song (4:06)
12 Moby Dick/Bonzo's Montreux (3:50)
13 I'm Gonna Crawl (5:31)
14 All My Love (5:51)

I think marking Stairway as as the end of one phase of the band and Kashmir as the beginning of the next is somehow spot on

For a long time this was the only zep I had. Disc 3 rules, and definitely has been most played disc of the set. When I finally got a copy of Physical Graffiti I couldn't believe it didn't open with Kashmir & close with Time of Dying.

josh, page/crowes at tinley park was awesome

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I think of the box set like this:

Disc 1 = raw, hard rocking early stuff
Disc 2 = bunch of moody acoustic stuff
Disc 3 = proggy epics
Disc 4 = weirdo late period tracks

proggy epics are pretty much my thing, so yes.

Back then the Crowes/Page tour appeared to me as the epitome of desperate hackery. Well, maybe not as bad as Coverdale/Page, but still bad. Me, now? I would see the hell out of that show. Crowes/Page. Not Coverdale.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, May 1, 2014 4:43 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Why not. Coverdales done some great shit. Don't let late 80s whitesnake ruin it for you. If you've never heard Burn or Come Taste The Band you should go back and educate yourself. Better than what Zeppelin were doing at the time

magill have you heard coverdale/page?

"someone did some great stuff in the 70s, ergo they will be doing some great stuff in 1993" is a dangerous way to live imo

I like 80s Whitesnake

There you go again on your own.

But seriously, I like a lot of 80s Whitesnake, too, at least until the dire Slip of the Tongue.

Slide it In is great

whitesnake ruled, s/t is near the peak of slick '80s commercial pop metal.

And even despite that, Coverdale/Page does not rule.

The scenes of the brothers walking into the ring through the crowd, punching the air to "Here I Go Again" was the best part of The Fighter, so cute

derailment of thread!

has anyone heard the new winger album?

http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/a-very-serious-conversation-with-kip-winger-about-being-taken-seriously-prog-rock-and-metallicas-scorn/

I listened to a bunch of recent-era Kip Winger stuff last month, dude is a really talented musician. Very heart-on-sleeve on the power balladeer style but if you're up for it he writes enjoyable sorta power-metal-lite

SHES ONLY SEVEN TEEN

"someone did some great stuff in the 70s, ergo they will be doing some great stuff in 1993" is a dangerous way to live imo

― it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Sunday, May 4, 2014 3:26 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I read the post as criticizing Coverdale , not Coverdale /page. I would assume the latter would include some purple and whitesnake stuff in conference

Concert.

I would totally go to a David Coverdale TED Talk

Page and Plant actually played "Shake My Tree" off the Coverdale/Page album at some shows.

David Coverdale is like Robert Plant if every time I looked at Robert Plant I burst out laughing.

Also, tbh, I can't think of Coverdale without thinking of Whitesnake, and I can't think of Whitesnake without thinking of
http://24.media.tumblr.com/51adb996ed5118723b40925d54810f8c/tumblr_mu6bpnbLbm1swgho7o1_400.gif

Rodolfo Maximiliano Sarzo Lavieille Grande Ruiz Payret y Chaumont

tbf, his bass is actually a giant Jolly Rancher.

lol

Oh hey dig this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tgCFlX5jHxg

(it's the rough mix/alternate vocal of "Whole Lotta Love" coming out on the new reissue dealies)

huh kinda cool, altho differences seem pretty minor (some extra flanging here and there etc)

well and the lead guitar track is missing

This Black Crowes/Page live album is pretty good! I mean, it's Zep, but they're not really/always trying to sound like Zep, especially the drummer, who does not sound like Bonham or even really try.

BTW my fave fake Zep remains Billy Squier."Lonely is the Night" ftw.

That's pretty spot on.

http://m.rollingstone.com/music/news/led-zeppelin-raid-secret-vault-for-super-deluxe-album-series-20140507

first mention of this, no?

previously unknown cover of the blues classic “Keys to the Highway” from 1970

It was posted upthread when the track listings were first revealed in March.

Would definitely be cool to hear. That Page interview is a little frustrating, though; it sounds like there's a lot more in the vaults, and obviously it's his call, but a "complete sessions" approach with false starts, breakdowns, and studio chatter would be pretty fascinating.

my bad, must've missed it. my memory was that the bonus tracklistings announced are mostly instrumental/alternate mixes or whatever. I kind of don't believe Page that there's actual extra completed, unreleased songs in the vault but who knows. Some sort of Beatles Anthology type thing might be interesting tho.

Isn't Zep infamous, like Bowie or Pink Floyd, for really not leaving much behind? Alternate takes, sure, but we're hardly talking, like, Springsteen's backlog of 200 quality songs that never made it to albums. Or Neil Young, for that matter.

Yeah, and most of what they did have lying around ended up of Physical Graffiti and Coda, with stuff on the latter in some cases getting fresh overdubs.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/robert-plant-slams-idea-of-zeppelin-tour-im-not-part-of-a-jukebox-20140508

Plant stands up to leave, but turns on his heel. "Do you know why the Eagles said they’d reunite when 'hell freezes over,' but they did it anyway and keep touring?” he asks. "It’s not because they were paid a fortune. It’s not about the money. It’s because they’re bored. I’m not bored."

"Alter Bridge frontman Myles Kennedy admitted to spending a few days playing with the group."

lol

good on Percy

totally the right call.

"Actually, it was because of the money. It was a lot of money!"

"Well, yeah."

Now it's Spirit's turn:

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-05-15/led-zeppelins-stairway-to-heaven-vs-dot-spirits-taurus-a-reckoning

More embarrassment for Zeppelin.

Jimmy doesn't come off too well in this NYTimes piece:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/17/arts/music/jimmy-page-talks-about-his-old-band-its-legacy-and-himself.html?ref=arts

Q. In part because of Led Zeppelin’s classic riffs, you guys are right up there with George Clinton and James Brown as sources for samples. And, of course, you did something yourself with Puff Daddy involving “Kashmir.” So how do you feel about your music being sampled for hip-hop records?

A. In a creative sense, it’s fantastic. Even if you don’t play an instrument, you’re writing new things. These guys come up with some amazing work, in the electronics and the mixing. I find it really fun to listen to. As far as the business side of it, however, the issue of sampling is thorny. The problem is people not getting paid for performances, Across the board, they are being pirated. Their music gets played, and they don’t get paid. I have a problem with that. I really do.

Q. You’ve also been on the other side of that debate, especially on the first couple of Led Zeppelin records, where you were criticized for using the material of Chicago blues greats, especially Willie Dixon, without acknowledging their authorship.

A. Yeah, but he got credited.

Q. But only after a lot of legal wrangling, so I wanted to ask in retrospect how did that happen, and once it was brought to the attention of your management, why did they resist it?

A. I had a riff, which is a unique riff, O.K., and I had a structure for the song that was a unique structure. That is it. However, within the lyrics of it, there’s “You Need Love,” and there are similarities within the lyrics. Now I’m not pointing a finger at anybody, but I’m just saying that’s what happened, and Willie Dixon got credit. Fair enough.

Fuck you, Dixon's family had to sue and go through eight years of legal bullshit before he got credit. Nothing "fair enough" about that.