MTV - classic or dud?

You know, let me move into that worst videos thread again and give a little smack down to Aaron Fuckin' Carter...

The fantastically tasty cod-Skanky Ho Boy presenter that is Dannan who presents Select.

I have *never* seen a set of stylists work so hard to produce just the right amount of fake Camden Market/Hoxton trash dirtiness with styling products and strategically altered clothing.

It horrifies me, yet still... I admit to being strangely compelled. He dyed his hair burgundy the week after I dyed Paul's hair. I think he's studying my lusts and desires and *modelling* himself after them, because he *clearly* wants to be adored by me.

Ha-hem. I can't believe I just admitted to this.

Oh but wait, no, I don't pay for MTV. It comes with my flat. Along with the Discovery Channel, which is much better, for sometimes featuring weekend-long marathons of Time Team.

Other than that, DUD.

no more leftfield animation. no more unattractive presenters who were actually there because they loved music/music video. no more creative initiatives designed to inspire/enlighten the viewer, only creative initiatives to make money (Blingo or whatever). hell i wouldn't mind if they actually promised to play at least 6 music videos an hour but they don't even do that.

So you don't watch that either, ha!

(Okeh, that was more than two years ago anyway)

Right now, my daughter's glued to the telly, watching the MTV Movie Awards. On MTV Nordic. On the cable. And it's due to the children occasionally switching it on that I get to see/hear any MTV at all, basically. ...Dud-o-drome, from what I've seen.

http://img201.exs.cx/img201/1826/mtv24oh.jpg

Inside the giant factory of cool known as MTV headquarters, a crew of hip twentysomethings has been hard at work creating a two-headed monster. This beast wants to be man's new best friend.

On Sunday, during the Super Bowl halftime, MTV2 is relaunching with a new focus on 12-24 year-old guys - and a new logo.

"What MTV2 is, while a departure from MTV, is really harkening back to the early days of MTV," says Tina Exarhos, executive vice president of marketing.

The network recognizes that their young-guy demographic are, as Cohn says, "operating on multiple platforms" - not just television, but the Web and video games - sometimes simultaneously. For example, after the show "Discover & Download" premiered with the Senegal-born R&B singer Akon, thousands of downloads immediately followed.

The channel is renewing a tradition of unveiling a new video every Tuesday, and running it at least 16 times that day. The first premiere will be Green Day's next single.

"We want Green Day to be a kind of house band for MTV2, the way people feel about MTV being the Eminem Network," says Tom Calderon, executive vice president of talent and music.

If you live or work in New York area, then you may have seen ads running for the past month featuring two-headed dogs and lines such as "GOES COMMANDO," although the spelling of the words looks more like GO ES COMM AN DO. These teaser campaign gave no clue as to what they meant, but referred the curious to a website featuring a "trick du jour" and promoting visitors to "sniff around."

The logo redesign began about nine months ago when MTV Networks decided to give MTV2 a new identity to differentiate it from MTV. MTV2 also made a large Internet buy on gaming Web sites and handed out two-headed dog hats, t-shirts, and sweatshirts in the New York area.

oh, so they make refrigerators!

1000% dud these days. It's actually sad how it really doesn't have ANY redeeming qualities left. Cynicism aside, it really did used to.

I do swear that MTV was actually pretty good once -- I don't think it's just because I'm older. Not only was the music better (especially with shows like AMP and 120 minutes) but even the early Real World casts were much more interesting than the ones now.

eurgh what a horrible idea. no video should be played that much in one day, esp. not when it's by fucking Green Day

this guy has no business doing this job

the quotes in that nypost article about kids liking indie rock music are refreshingly? disturbingly? transparent and weird.

In the mid to late 80's, wasn't there a radio station that simulcast the audio from MTV? Possibly broadcast out of NYC? I think the commercials might have been different, but the music videos played the same time so that you could listen along on the radio while watching... Unless my memory is crazy and this is totally not true at all.

Apparently I was featured on MTV.com in 2003 (yes... I know... amazing):

http://web.archive.org/web/20030823200614/http://www.mtv.com/news/youtellus/topics/non_artist_topics/death_of_the_lp/082103.jhtml

MTV NEWS: YOU TELL US

Arguing Over The Album

Think back, for just a minute, to Nirvana's Nevermind — would it still be such a classic with the exclusion of half (or more) of its twelve timeless cuts? How about Radiohead's OK Computer? Would it even be worthy of its unanimous critical acclaim if reduced to "Paranoid Android" and a few outtakes? Now look at Tool's Lateralus. Although radio single "Schism" was one of its weakest tracks, the emotional depth and impact of the entire album left no listener unchanged in the wake of its perfection. Without the album format, what's left for the incredible artists who have a knack for writing timeless full-length works?

Stephen, 18
Austin, TX

hahaha awesome

A++

Although radio single "Schism" was one of its weakest tracks, the emotional depth and impact of the entire album left no listener unchanged in the wake of its perfection.

loooooool

I totally could have been a Pfork writer in 2003, amirite?

you said the same thing word for word about Fleet Foxes the other week

:'(

^^ me crying while listening to Robin Pecknold's voice... the voice of a beautiful angel.

is stephen ilxor really older than me?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mOhv63gSNQ

more here - http://www.urlesque.com/2010/08/20/90s-mtv-commercials/

You tell me... how old are you, Rev?

xp

24

why did they dub this real world episode with a fake, non-copyright version of "Personal Jesus"? Did they snatch this footage from syndication or something. Vh1 has the fucking rights to play Depeche Mode all day long, this is an abortion

― james blood ulver (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, August 2, 2011 12:57 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Apparently it got really expensive for them to do that or something. I'd be interested to learn more. Apparently one of the main things holding up the DVD release of The State were the songs. When it finally came out, all the scenes that had pop songs backing them were now saddled with generic equivalents. Like the one where Ben Garant runs around town pantsless while trying to meet ladies to the tune of the Breeders' Cannonball, arguably the most famous use of that song.

Yeah, I get that for DVDs, but like can't viacom play these songs forever on the channel?

That whole thing is kinda weird. I have no idea why it should be so difficult to license a song for TV use. I'm not sure who is losing money here.

There was a show called "Trigger Happy TV" that did it, replacing an entire soundtrack with soundalikes, they did a really good job too. I remember searching fruitlessly for hours for their version of "If You Could Read My Mind"

Ok, so I just looked at the Amazon reviews for the Real World DVD releases and there are complaints about the music being changed there as well. So I'm thinking that MTV either

a. didn't have rights to use those songs as background music in perpetuity in the first place
b. at some point absolved itself of those rights (for example, they declined to renew on some contract or something)
c. they still have the rights to use those songs in broadcast, but whoever was compiling the content this weekend just grabbed a Real World DVD because it was easier than finding the original footage.

My money is on c.

If you put out a CD/DVD etc with a song (where song equals "the original sound recording") on it, you have to pay mechanical royalties to the owners of that recording. If you print up a whole lot of the CD/DVD/etc you're releasing, that can get into some money; a mechanical royalty is a per-pressed-copy fee. For broadcast you usually pay a one-time synch, but any money collected on rebroadcast is via ASCAP/BMI/SESAC and doesn't cost the licensee anything. If you have somebody else record the song, you still have to work out payment with the authors of the song, but not necessarily with the owners of the recording (often the label), who tend to drive hard bargains/walk away from the table if they don't get an offer they like.

So there's a sort of c (1) option to kkvgz's possibilities: that, when interested parties couldn't work out an agreement, The Real World resynched their master tapes. This frankly seems probable to me; do that, then master DVDs from the copies we'll be airing with the re-synched music & fuck those assholes who didn't wanna play ball, easier than keeping two sets of masters in the warehouse = how I imagine television ppl's perspective

(Finally, agreements to synch music to a broadcast show can involve clauses like "the terms of this contract must be renewed after seven years; if terms are not renewed, licensee relinquishes" etc, and given the state of the record business and how labels and bands change staff/go under/switch managers/etc, it is probably a huge headache trying to hunt down the necessary signatures to renew the license. idk about this though because I assume that the re-recorded versions would also need some paperwork done.)

Well, I don't know about Whiney's "Personal Jesus" stand-in, but on the State DVDs, the replacement songs were not re-recorded versions, but entirely new, generic songs that were just similar in tone and feel.

But thank you for the music industry insights. It's really cool to learn about that kind of nuts-and-bolts stuff.

sure thing! I should probably add a "this is how I understand it anyway I could be wrong about some of this because it's stuff you figure out/research yourself as you go, not stuff ppl sit you down and explain to you"

those armageddon residuals are really working out for you, huh

When it was released on BlueRay, they had to replace it with a generic bossanova.

Oh man, Steven Tyler is destroying all of my images of the rock and roll industry. I thought all this stuff was taught to up-and-coming rockstars by Yo La Tengo and David Cross.

those armageddon residuals are really working out for you, huh

well that's the thing about mechanicals! they're gonna sell a lot of the Armageddon soundtrack; they want five 'smith tracks including "Sweet Emotion," a proven seller? kick ass, people, let's fuckin EAT: you're printing up a million copies because it's 1998 and we're all gonna be rich and successful forever, this business is bulletproof, the compulsory mechanical rate's 7.10 cents or 1.35 cents/min, that's 7.10 x 1,000,000 x5 (or maybe four, I forget if mechanicals are different for cover versions), you do that math, it means I Am Steven Tyler And I Get Money. didn't even have to get out of bed for that one iirc. waiter! my oysters!

idk about this though because I assume that the re-recorded versions would also need some paperwork done.)

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:09 AM (24 minutes ago)

re-recordings are for-hire deals so there's no need to negotiate, the standard compulsory license for covers takes care of the original rights owners

They used to do that on sitcoms in the 80s a lot.

What was the show with the twins? I remember they had a fake Bryan Adams "Run to You" playing and the girls were all "I love this song!"

There had to have been a point to that.

saw the fist hour of MTV stuff last nite, so cuet

forget about the song "little suzy's on the up" <3

they were really pushing stereo as a big new innovation

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

Apparently jumpsuits were very popular in 1981.

saw the fist hour of MTV stuff last nite

man, strongo was right, they really can get away with a lot these days!

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

I thought the same thing!!!

also a noticably wasted ronnie wood mugging behind david lee roth's acceptance speech for jump was funny.

there was a performance clip of styx doing "rockin' the paradise" that was literally the dorkiest thing i'd ever seen, man i can't believe that band was popular with kids

I liked that jangly Byrdsy song with a dumbass video about the end of a relationship.

As a kid, we went to the condo of one of my mom's friends. It was the first time my step-dad had seen MTV and he was just aghast that people paid for cable and still had to watch commercials.

dude was waaaay ahead of the curve when it came to entitled people and their staggering incredulity about paying money for content

should have saved that zing for when it followed

I liked that jangly Byrdsy song with a dumbass video about the end of a relationship.

― Trip Maker, Tuesday, August 2, 2011 10:35 AM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

trip maker - yeah! robin lane and the chartbusters, that was great, never heard of that band ever

http://www.mtv.com/videos/robin-lane-the-chartbusters/98184/when-things-go-wrong.jhtml

I think I still have a VHS copy of the MTV Awards with the MJ kiss somewhere. That was also the one where Sandra Bullock was presenting with someone (I want to say Adam Sandler) and she misread the cue on the teleprompter and asked Adam what it was like to kiss Keanu Reeves. He handlded it pretty well and riffed about how safe he felt in Keanu's arms.

Something about this moment seemed staged to me... In a good way.

probably in that it was completely scripted

i just said that

No repeats of the Jenny McCarthy Show though.

Probably because it was fucking awful and no one wants to see it.

it's weird how you forget how close the early 80s were to the 70s, like before madonna's iconic "like a virgin" mtv awards performance dan akroyd introduces her with his tom synder impression

sorta like how now is pretty much still the 00's

Probably because it was fucking awful and no one wants to see it.

Wasn't really the standard VH1 was using in showing some of those old clips.

They played "Get Next To Jenny" from Spring Break :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ysyZF-DZFY&list=UUFRDjnACLA5vWxxLCC7elVQ&index=1&feature=plcp

but MTV plays music videos
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f3/AMTV.png

http://www.splicetoday.com/pop-culture/life-as-art

Michael Jordan tried to make Kennedy's virginity the stakes in a dice game, apparently:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/chi-mj-dice-kennedy-virginitiy-20130702,0,6933007.story

filet

https://archive.org/details/mtv-80s-vhs-full-recording-collection/

ahhh just came here to post that - so good

i was reading a piece on "the marshall mathers LP" when the author mentioned this program. i don't think i've thought about it once in 20 years. it was like being teleported back to being 9 years old and watching cable in my friend's basement. sort of nauseating tbh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o7AEb5agrc

When that would come on (after Beavis & Butt-head or Daria), I couldn’t change the channel fast enough.

(I was 19, not 9, but same diff)

otm

Oh god, so that led me down the rabbit hole of discovering The Wondergirls, a "supergroup" that was assembled for the Celebrity Deathmatch soundtrack (which I also had no idea existed).

Get a load of this lineup!

Ken Andrews (Failure) – guitar, synth
Ian Astbury (The Cult) – vocals, guitar, harmonica, percussion
Doug Ardito (Puddle of Mudd) – keyboards
Jay Gordon (Orgy) – vocals, synth
Martyn LeNoble (Porno for Pyros) – bass guitar
Shannon Leto (30 Seconds to Mars) – drums
Mark McGrath (Sugar Ray) – vocals
Ryan Shuck (Orgy) – guitar
Troy Van Leeuwen (A Perfect Circle/QOTSA) – guitar
Scott Weiland (STP) – vocals, keyboards
Ashley Hamilton (actor, known for Beethoven's 2nd) - vocals
Chris Lloyd (???) - guitar

MTV is going to hell for this pic.twitter.com/m4CWniQiIT

— N. (@nahalidabarbie) February 5, 2021