Madonna: bitch got mad flow

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I think I'd have liked to see her ridicule herself with Gonzales or someone, but I guess that's not plausible.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 02:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

... but Ronan surely Madonna is already ridiculing herself and this is the VERY PROBLEM?!!??!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 21 April 2003 02:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perhaps the problem w/ Madonna is that she's still trying to sound like the future
yes i think that is it... and its funny, too, because, well, remember her getting some flack about "going electronica" for ray of light, but, shit, "bedtime stories" still sounds fresh as hell, and "deeper and deeper" is still an amazing house record, really one of the best from the 90s i think. compared to this new record, the old ones sound almost effortless.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 21 April 2003 03:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally I've blown up a car before. If you have problems, call me. I'll "solve 'em."

― hstencil, Monday, 21 April 2003 04:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

So check out the beat, while the DJ revolves 'em.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 21 April 2003 04:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Say this for her -- it was not immediately obvious in 1983 that in 20 years people would be carrying on long discussions about her ouevre.

― JesseFox (JesseFox), Monday, 21 April 2003 06:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

??? Ally that's no reference to your mom (something you mentioned on ILE? I don't read ILE), only to that Mini you wanted to blow up. I've got no idea what you mean, but I wasn't referring to anything else, no offence...(i really should stay out of theads like these I guess).

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 21 April 2003 10:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeh lets not forget Madonna is some 10 years older than Kylie so it'd tougher for her to go back to simple disco-y pop - i think if nothing else Kylie pulls it off because she looks better now than she ever has in her life, and still very youthful but Madonna has quite visibly aged so anything she does that purports to be hip is going to seem more contrived anyway.

everyone in the last 20 posts OTM anyway

and SIgebran you should read ILE sometime ;)

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 10:57 (twenty-one years ago) link

yes Tim but knowingly ridicule herself!

Shakedown is a good idea yeah, though she doesn't have the voice it still might work.

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 11:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Other ideas that might work (artistically and commercially):

Sami Liuski (Bangkok Impact)
Danny Wolfers (Legowelt)
Tom Middleton
Gigi d'Agostino (ha! even more vocoders!)
Inga Humpe & Tommi Eckart (2Raumwohnung)
Thomas Brückner (Tomcraft)
Tom Holkenberg (Junkie XL)
Josh Gabriel
Marc Arcadipane (ok maybe not...)

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

PEACHES! (er maybe not)

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Strokes!

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha now the obvious ones

She should work with Felix Da Housecat, brilliant.

She should work with the Neptunes, magnificent.

She should work with Timbaland, eclectic.

She should work with P Diddy, he has always been all about the Madonna.

Black Strobe, DFA, Trevor Jackson, Thomas Bangalter, DJ Sneak?

Jacques Lu Cont is an obvious one but it might have been ok, he could have brought her back to the 80s.

Really though she should have worked with that new french act Lacquer before they released anything!

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 21 April 2003 12:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

??? Ally that's no reference to your mom (something you mentioned on ILE?

Siegram, my post was referencing the post immediately preceding yours (!!!). ILE not necessary!

P. Diddy + Madonna would be the shit.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

P. Diddy + Madonna would be shit.

― maria b (maria b), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

she could sample her own trax and do her own annie's the greatest hit

― minna (minna), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

madonna + metro area

― minna (minna), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

the next level of daft punk = their madonna album

― minna (minna), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Madonna should work with Steve Albini at the production helm, and fortify a live-in-the-studio backing band consisting of Ted Parsons (ex-Prong/Swans/Godflesh) on drums, Dave Greenfield of the Stranglers on keyboards, Cripple Jim "Phylr" Coleman (ex-Cop Shoot Cop) on samples and tapes, Paul Raven of Killing Joke/Prong on bass and guitar duties shared by Andy Gill (Gang of Four), Geordie K. Walker (Killing Joke) and....coaxed out of retirement via Yankees season tickets....Johnny Ramone.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think i'd rather Madonna stopped making music then work with most of the producers listed above. as good as most of them are, why 'sell their souls' this way? why offer up their talents to an artist rapidly approaching has-been/knackers yard status - would they come out of it better than her? Liam Howlett and Aphex Twin both turned her down in the past and i kinda respect them for doing so. i think it was good for William Orbit to work with her as he needed to step back into that pop domain again...shame he never cooked something like 'Fascinating Rhythm' up for much tho.

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

In all seriousness, she should drop her acoustic guitar fixation. No one's buying it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also, she's a hack. And a has-been.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I mean, these are her Jungle Room years.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha, if only Madonna had gone into the Jungle room...

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

In all seriousness, she should drop her acoustic guitar fixation

And bring back her cock fixation

― ss, Monday, 21 April 2003 13:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd say American Life is her Funky Headhunter.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Now THAT'S cold.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

That Steve Albini thing would be aces, man. It sounds totally fresh.

I think Madonna should work with Chaki. And also the Electric Six.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fuck, EVERYONE should work with Chaki.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

She should work with Felix Da Housecat, brilliant.

I think she already did. At least for a remix within the past year or so or something like that.

Maybe the problem is that producers are so intimidated by working with MADONNA that they wind up doing shit work. Or she's intent on being too involved, versus back in the day when her ego was at least the size of Mars versus today (the size of Uranus). And Ronan is OTM up there about old vs. new.

Anyway, I liked Snatch. Second best use of a Stranglers song in a soundtrack (best being Sexy Beast, of course). I also like the new Mini Coopers. So sue me!

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 21 April 2003 14:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Shit just saw that post Ally, indeed its looks quite rude that way - not what I meant at all. ILX really should have nested replies...

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha I was just kidding anyway!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everytime I read the title of this thread ( Madonna: bitch got mad flow) I get the unwelcome image in my head of La Ciccone caught in a torrent of uncontrollable menstruation.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well, this thread is now officially disgusting, thank you.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

At your service.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

No, it's great, I'm not going to be able to eat lunch now, thinking about this image and I really need to lose 10 before the wedding, so I'm chuffed. Really.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

No charge.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fabulous, etc.

Oh I saw the video for this this morning, I don't know why it makes a statement at all, Dan?

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

Madonna's uniform is the best thing about the video - its fucking dull otherwise

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I really fucking want that outfit

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

from now on, every post has to include 'fucking'

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's a fucking great idea. It makes me more extreme I think.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

we could even make it a fucking picture thread, bwahaha

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

CALUM TO THREAD.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you have problems, call me. I'll "solve 'em."
-- hstencil (hstenci...), April 21st, 2003

will you also check out the hook while the DJ revolves 'em?

Shakedown is a good idea yeah, though she doesn't have the voice it still might work.

see, my problem w/Madonna of late--and Ronan is probably saying this as well, but it sorta reads like he's not--is that she's entered mid-'70s Roger Daltrey territory voice-wise. she's "Learned to Sing" and sounds like she's trying to belt out grand opera or something--"look how thick and elongated and robust my notes are!" (even when they're, you know, fed through the autotuner or whatever.) and in the meantime her music gets less and less interesting and/or relevant.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Matos, someone already made that joke!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

of course, the one comment I missed on the way down. darn.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's ok, I still think you're adorable.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

hugz!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

but am I the only one who thinks that about her voice?

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 21 April 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

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she should recut a version that gives a shoutout to h & m

― maura (maura), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link

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