Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

Really, if copping a chord sequence constitutes plagarism, about 75% of pop songs would be plagarized.

the similarity goes beyond the chords themselves. I think it's different enough though.

this suit is crazy to me. i hear the similarity between the intro stairway riff and the spirit riff...but honestly i could also see it being a coincidence too

plus, it kind of pointedly ignores all the other stuff in stairway to heaven! and there's a lot!

there are more things in stairway to heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your cosmology

That JPJ photo is all time. Imagine the guy's reaction when he wakes up and his mate goes, "hey, look who you missed."

Picked up the single LP standard version of Led Zeppelin III this morning, happy/sad to report these reiussues are fucking awesome

plus, it kind of pointedly ignores all the other stuff in stairway to heaven! and there's a lot!

― dollar rave club (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, June 4, 2014 9:35 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There's a lot of shit.

there's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold iirc

There's a lot of shit.

― Prince Kajuku (Bill Magill), Thursday, June 5, 2014 11:14 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why don't you make like Skid Row and gtfo

Has anyone on Spirit's side claimed that they wrote all of "Stairway"? Yeah, there's a lot more to "Stairway" than the opening notes, just like there's more to, say, Jay-Z's "The Takeover" than the KRS-One sample that doesn't use a part of the Grand Funk song that doesn't use a part of the Animals song they cover, the original of which is copyrighted by Alan Lomax who didn't write it either:

http://www.ethanhein.com/wp/2011/jay-z-and-alan-lomax/

“Rosie” can’t be said to have any particular author. But Lomax was the first person to record and publish it, so according to the peculiar norms of America’s property laws, he was able to copyright it. Not only does Lomax hold the copyright for “Rosie,” he’s also listed as a co-author of both versions of “Inside Looking Out.”

Here’s where the story gets truly silly. When KRS-One sampled Grand Funk Railroad’s cover of “Inside Looking Out,” he needed the permission of both the owner of the recording and the underlying composition. This is in spite of the fact that the sample is from an instrumental section that Grand Funk added, and that doesn’t reference the original melody at all. And even though Jay-Z sampled KRS-One’s unaccompanied vocal, he also needed to get copyright permission from everyone sampled in KRS-One’s track. Including Alan Lomax.

If that's true then it's stupid as shit.

makes total sense

xp

But fwiw, Taurus doesn't even contain the same "opening notes" as stairway, just the same first-five chords

Guys Led Zeppelin is so awesome, III is killing it right now

I always forget how kick ass Celebration Day is

Out on the Tiles!

"Out on the Tiles" and "Celebration Day" both underrated tunes. Haven't listened to all of III in forever ....

Ah man, Out on the Tiles is my jam.

I'm just a simple guy, live from day to day

I haven't heard Led Zep III since I was like 15 for whatever reason. I ordered the reissue, as well as LZ I, which I never owned on cd oddly.

sounds so nice.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/robert-plant-fires-back-at-jimmy-page-have-a-good-rest-20140605

"It’s really a celebratory record, but it’s very crunchy and gritty, very West African and very Massive Attack-y," Plant said. "There’s a lot of bottom end, so it might sound all right at a Jamaican party, but I’m not sure it would sound all right on NPR."

haha this guy, you gotta love him

III keeps climbing my personal ranking of their albums. I had it at #4 way back during the LZ ballot poll; I'd put it second behind Presence now.

"not sure it would sound all right on NPR"
that description suggests it would sound exactly right on NPR

otm

III's easily my favorite. the acoustic stuff puts it over the top ahead of PG.

Yeah III has been my favorite since college.

why don't you make like Skid Row and gtfo

― Neanderthal, Thursday, June 5, 2014 11:18 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sweet burn

should see a doctor for that then

why don't you make like skid row and evolve into thin lizzy?

#oooohshiiiit

III's my favourite after PG. Am doubtless gonna end up getting the double CD reissues eventually. Kind of coveting the deluxe boxes, for the book as much as the vinyl, but money's too tight.

I've never owned Led Zep I on cd before (just vinyl that I stole from my father years ago). how does this remaster compare overall? sounds great to my ears but I dunno what it sounded like before really.

But fwiw, Taurus doesn't even contain the same "opening notes" as stairway, just the same first-five chords

I've actually written out the notes on this board to try to make this point. I'm not sure we're going to sway people at this point.

I mean, if you count A-C-E as the opening notes, you could argue that they're the same. In that case, Spirit owe a pretty nice sum to the inventors of the minor triad.

Pythagoras wants his fuckin royalties

Man, Page's tone is so sick on the '69 live set.

Any word on when they might release the reissues on the rest of the catalog?

I think they're doing 3 every three months, so September and December for the next two batches. Just in time to release a box set for Christmas.

so pumped to hear how the remaster affects Presence

I'd like the bonus track for that one to be a version of Achilles Last Stand that starts with the basic tracks and adds an overdub every chorus

I heard they were spreading these out more...no more until early next year? I kind of like that idea. It's a lot to sit with, also $heesh

They pushed them back? That sucks. Initial plans were every three months.

FYI, I don't know when it's coming, but I've been told that the bonus content on the reissue of IV will be a previously unheard alternate mix of the entire album. Not a rough mix, but an actual finished version of IV that was scrapped in favor of the released version.

Color me interested.

Stoked on behalf of you guys, I only really liked the "Houses of the Holy" album

I wonder if the Coda reissue will be the revised box set version with "Hey Hey What Can I Do", "Traveling Riverside Blues" etc. which explain them being left off the new remasters?

yeah both those are far superior to any of the extra studio stuff so far

Irritated (already!) that "Sugar Mama" isn't one of the bonus tracks on the I or II reissues - not much of a song, but a nice little funky groove thang

"La La" is fun but I'm kind of happy that right now the only deluxe one I'm tempted to buy is LZ I for the live set.....I can def save some money on II and III (which I already bought the single LP)

I wonder if the Coda reissue will be the revised box set version with "Hey Hey What Can I Do", "Traveling Riverside Blues" etc. which explain them being left off the new remasters?

I would hope so. The original album was only 33 minutes.

And I have a sinking feeling that, once all the reissues are out, they'll put out a "complete" box with material not on any of the reissues.

Man, have I been on a serious Zeppelin kick since these threads started getting revived!

I have a bunch of Zep LPs at my dad's place I'm going to need to pick up this weekend, I haven't listened to that stuff in YEARS. Yesterday I was blasting youtubes of "Immigrant Song" and "Fool in the Rain".