Worst song on KROQ's 25 Most Requested Songs of All-Time (2006)

I mean, yeah, Sublime were probably total douchebag homophobes. But I see the last verse more as more of a "what goes around comes around"/"Karma, maaan" thing than specifically out to target gay people.

of course it is homophobic but no more so than Seinfeld's "not that there's anything wrong with that"...

Thanks for going to bat against Papa Roach, Neanderthal. That's my vote. "Wrong Way" and "Caress Me Down" are just gross and both WAY worse than "Date Rape."

oh word. I don't even listen to that album. It was a profound disappointment for me as a Sublime fan and then like a three-year living nightmare as the singles rolled out and completely dominated modern rock airplay.

Also, realizing that I'm not doing Sublime any favors here, the correct lyric is "come on party people won't you listen to me - date rape stylee."

― how's life, Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:11 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL

naw man. for one thing the song is kind of the iconic song of its type from that era, the value of "everybody" would need some solving/qualification here but, like, everybody who was hearing this kinda thing back then remembers "Last Resort" and gets hearty lols from the memory now. Beyond that, I think I've said this before, but I was working in treatment centers for kids with heavy problems then, and "Last Resort" was genuinely meaningful and valuable music to pissed-off kicked-around foster home kids back then. It was a song that spoke to them, that showed them how music could powerfully articulate what they were feeling. Sure: you and I might lol at "Suffocation! No breathing!" but I knew young dudes who heard that and went "fuck yes, that is how I feel," who sang it at the top of their lungs alone in their rooms when they were too angry to speak for themselves.

The world is full of young dudes like that, so Papa Roach, though they suck, get love from me.

― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 21:33 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a fair point, and perhaps my earlier post would have been made better had I said they had nothing *for me* specifically. But I don't want to diminish the value it held for some of those aforementioned kids.

Jacoby Shaddicks of Roach once showed up in #metal on DALnet around 2001 one night. he lasted five minutes, unable to withstand the barrage of "POSEUR!!!" insults.

while I agree with croupier's assessment upthread, the other problematic line in "Date Rape" is 'the moral of the date rape story is it does not pay to be drunk and horny'... which, besides greatly oversimplifying the root case of rape (I know, 3 minute song etc etc) is basically like saying 'hey man, don't get drunk when you're horny, you might accidentally rape someone and go to jail'. Rather than 'hey, the moral is that rape because it is abhorrent, violent, sociopathic behavior'.

*root CAUSE

also remove the "because it" from the last sentence ugh

I love how the protagonist goes to her drawer to look up her local attorney-at-law. Quaint reminder of bygone days.

Of all the Beastie Boys songs out there why on earth would people choose Girls?

Having never heard the Sublime or Papa Roach songs, I think Add It Up annoys me more than anything else here, and I generally like Violent Femmes.

Of all the Beastie Boys songs out there why on earth would people choose Girls?

Kind of assuming that this is the world's frattiest radio station we're talking about here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KROQ-FM

You have already voted in this poll and cannot vote again.

goddammit

Curious about the two Violent Femmes tracks which are so much older (1983) than anything else here

Those songs and a few other hangers on from that era were in regular rotation on my local alt station when I was in high school. In much the same way that newer songs from when I was in high school twenty years ago are still in regular rotation today. "Alternative" but by no means progressive.

ok guys you gotta see #26-50

26. No Doubt Spiderwebs

27. Sublime Smoke 2 Joints

28. Nirvana Come As You Are

29. The B-52's Rock Lobster

30. Weezer Undone (the Sweater Song)

31. Green Day Boulevard of Broken Dreams

32. Beastie Boys Brass Monkey

33. Soft Cell Sex Dwarf

34. Red Hot Chili Peppers Give it Away

35. King Missile Detachable Penis

36. Blink-182 All the Small Things

37. Dynamite Hack Boyz N the Hood

38. Korn Got the Life

39. Sublime Wrong Way

40. Pennywise Fuck Authority

41. Jane's Addiction Been Caught Stealing

42. New Order Blue Monday

43. Nine Inch Nails Hurt

44. Beastie Boys Intergalactic

45. The Smashing Pumpkins Today

46. Social Distortion Ball And Chain

47. The Killers Mr. Brightside

48. The Offspring Come Out and Play

49. Oingo Boingo Little Girls

50.System of a Down Chop Suey

I have such an urge to watch Repo Man right now

37. Dynamite Hack Boyz N the Hood

okay this would have been a contender for "Date Rape"'s crown

I'm definitely w DJP here, so easily Sublime
Papa Roach song had a decent chord change

like seriously all I did was read the words "Dynamite Hack" and then everything went blank with rage for a moment

kinda shocked how soundly New Order beat Orgy in the battle of the "Blue Monday"s - orgy's at #415!

Sex Dwarf?? Weird

kinda shocked how soundly New Order beat Orgy in the battle of the "Blue Monday"s - orgy's at #415!

it seems shocking until you remember that one of these bands is New Order and the other is Orgy

i know that. i also know we're talking about a KROQ request line, not a critics poll.

da croupier otm about "date rape" hitting a nerve in that cultural milieu, which just makes it sadder imo. like, you have one of the smarter bands in its class willing to address the subject in a song and the thesis isn't, rage-filled misogyny sucks let's imagine or do something different, it's be more careful about your rage-filled misogyny or else you'll get fucked in the ass / fall a notch or two in the grand constellation of patriarchy. i doubt sublime were / are explicitly homophobic or hateful, but getting butt-fucked in jail is depressingly standard, universally accepted shorthand for "losing your manhood." that concept doesn't turn on homophobia so much as it turns on its root, patriarchy. the girl in the song actually exists as a sympathetic character, which is probably why the girl at karaoke likes it, but instead of turning on any new insights about what "date rape" actually means for the victims or the poisonous culture that perpetrates and then condemns it, it just slots it in as one of the "thou shalt nots" in the newly equal-rights-y and litigious bro code. but then, what else to expect from sublime, who are basically the poet laureates of this particular flavor of SoCal patriarchal culture, enlightened, chill, into cool shit, acknowledging rape as a statutory offense, possibly leading to butt-rape in prison (how progressive!).

anyway the good Orgy song was "Stitches"

man sublime are one of the worst bands ever

was gonna say, would be a little odd for sublime to call out "abhorrent, violent, sociopathic behavior" on principle or offer fresh insight considering their other songs

def don't think anybody has to love the song, i just don't get the "obv this is the worst thing" when it's surrounded by umpteen heartfelt odes to blue balls and being a muthafuckin' reject psyyyycho

in this context "date rape" is a goddamn psa

Oh yea Dynamite Hack woulda walked this. Fuck them imo

true xp

So glad I was not aware of that track before just now...gross

there are times when "here is a glib take on a serious subject" works; IMO "Date Rape" is not one of those times

def don't think anybody has to love the song, i just don't get the "obv this is the worst thing" when it's surrounded by umpteen heartfelt odes to blue balls and being a muthafuckin' reject psyyyycho

― da croupier, Thursday, July 10, 2014

it's not just that it's the worst, although it is. it's that it's the worst AND the most requested and if you lived in LA in the mid 90s you heard it hourly and supposedly right-thinking people around you acted like it was not a glib take on a serious subject but important.

Two Joints also terrible

yeah i totally can't imagine this song as inescapable (think i first heard about it in an article about the spur posse in Rolling Stone, saw the video on 120 minutes a couple times and bought a 20th Century Masters disc of the band - wound up keeping like half the tracks) and can totally imagine how quickly social context can turn it into the worst thing ever

KROQ was on a holy mission to make Sublime the biggest thing ever. SoCal's answer to Seattle or something.

omg spur posse

Voted for the same shit as everyone. "Last Resort" is dumb but it's hard to deny that chorus.

i kind of assumed Sublime was like the Minutemen for meatheads or something

cut my life into pizzas

i kind of figured sublime was like jimmy buffett for people too young to own a boat

Sublime is like an infected toe fungus

only song in the top 25 i'd never even heard OF before seeing this thread is Offspring's "Bad Habit." Apparently it was the 4th radio single but i only remember the first 3.

gonna go check lyricwiki and find out if habit rhymes with "grab it"

sublime was the one of these i really wasn't ok with even back when i listened to all this stuff on the radio, regularly, by choice

it doesn't, habit only rhymes with habit.

the song's about killing bad drivers apparently

Drivers are rude
Such attitudes
But when I show my piece
Complaints cease, something's odd
I feel like I'm God
You stupid dumb-shit god-damn motherfucker!

such attitudes.

12-year-old me thought that was the most badass lyric ever. And it was among the five albums I owned in total.

lol, minutemen vs. sublime is so good twin vs. evil twin.

so like, a year or two after the "cop killer" brouhaha kroq was regularly playing a song about killing people on the freeway and i'm hearing about 20 years later