kinda shocked how soundly New Order beat Orgy in the battle of the "Blue Monday"s - orgy's at #415!
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:07 (ten years ago) link
Sex Dwarf?? Weird
― sinister porpoise (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:07 (ten years ago) link
it seems shocking until you remember that one of these bands is New Order and the other is Orgy
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
i know that. i also know we're talking about a KROQ request line, not a critics poll.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
da croupier otm about "date rape" hitting a nerve in that cultural milieu, which just makes it sadder imo. like, you have one of the smarter bands in its class willing to address the subject in a song and the thesis isn't, rage-filled misogyny sucks let's imagine or do something different, it's be more careful about your rage-filled misogyny or else you'll get fucked in the ass / fall a notch or two in the grand constellation of patriarchy. i doubt sublime were / are explicitly homophobic or hateful, but getting butt-fucked in jail is depressingly standard, universally accepted shorthand for "losing your manhood." that concept doesn't turn on homophobia so much as it turns on its root, patriarchy. the girl in the song actually exists as a sympathetic character, which is probably why the girl at karaoke likes it, but instead of turning on any new insights about what "date rape" actually means for the victims or the poisonous culture that perpetrates and then condemns it, it just slots it in as one of the "thou shalt nots" in the newly equal-rights-y and litigious bro code. but then, what else to expect from sublime, who are basically the poet laureates of this particular flavor of SoCal patriarchal culture, enlightened, chill, into cool shit, acknowledging rape as a statutory offense, possibly leading to butt-rape in prison (how progressive!).
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
anyway the good Orgy song was "Stitches"
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
man sublime are one of the worst bands ever
― goole, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:11 (ten years ago) link
was gonna say, would be a little odd for sublime to call out "abhorrent, violent, sociopathic behavior" on principle or offer fresh insight considering their other songs
def don't think anybody has to love the song, i just don't get the "obv this is the worst thing" when it's surrounded by umpteen heartfelt odes to blue balls and being a muthafuckin' reject psyyyycho
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link
in this context "date rape" is a goddamn psa
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link
Oh yea Dynamite Hack woulda walked this. Fuck them imo
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:16 (ten years ago) link
true xp
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
So glad I was not aware of that track before just now...gross
― skip, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link
there are times when "here is a glib take on a serious subject" works; IMO "Date Rape" is not one of those times
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
― da croupier, Thursday, July 10, 2014
it's not just that it's the worst, although it is. it's that it's the worst AND the most requested and if you lived in LA in the mid 90s you heard it hourly and supposedly right-thinking people around you acted like it was not a glib take on a serious subject but important.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
Two Joints also terrible
― Neanderthal, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link
yeah i totally can't imagine this song as inescapable (think i first heard about it in an article about the spur posse in Rolling Stone, saw the video on 120 minutes a couple times and bought a 20th Century Masters disc of the band - wound up keeping like half the tracks) and can totally imagine how quickly social context can turn it into the worst thing ever
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link
KROQ was on a holy mission to make Sublime the biggest thing ever. SoCal's answer to Seattle or something.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
omg spur posse
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
Voted for the same shit as everyone. "Last Resort" is dumb but it's hard to deny that chorus.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:31 (ten years ago) link
i kind of assumed Sublime was like the Minutemen for meatheads or something
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link
cut my life into pizzas
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link
i kind of figured sublime was like jimmy buffett for people too young to own a boat
― goole, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
Sublime is like an infected toe fungus
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link
only song in the top 25 i'd never even heard OF before seeing this thread is Offspring's "Bad Habit." Apparently it was the 4th radio single but i only remember the first 3.
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:36 (ten years ago) link
gonna go check lyricwiki and find out if habit rhymes with "grab it"
sublime was the one of these i really wasn't ok with even back when i listened to all this stuff on the radio, regularly, by choice
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
it doesn't, habit only rhymes with habit.
the song's about killing bad drivers apparently
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:37 (ten years ago) link
Drivers are rudeSuch attitudesBut when I show my pieceComplaints cease, something's oddI feel like I'm GodYou stupid dumb-shit god-damn motherfucker!
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:38 (ten years ago) link
such attitudes.
― goole, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
12-year-old me thought that was the most badass lyric ever. And it was among the five albums I owned in total.
― skip, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
lol, minutemen vs. sublime is so good twin vs. evil twin.
― mattresslessness, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
so like, a year or two after the "cop killer" brouhaha kroq was regularly playing a song about killing people on the freeway and i'm hearing about 20 years later
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
same here. kinda think it's still undeniable idk
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link
i knew that line via teen osmosis but never knew the song nor it's 'meaning' ha
― goole, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link
its just one of those days
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
xxxpost wait til you hear about "pumped up kicks" in 2030
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link
I have to vote for Last Resort as I don't think I've even listened to that sublime song. It's weird that it's not only their most requested song (what i got and santeriaI'd assume are their most popular tracks) but that it's the most requested song of all time.Seems to me like someone from 4chan or a group of organized trolls decided it would be funny to request Date Rape every day.
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I believe I got in trouble for playing this song on the stereo during high school art class.
― Immediate Follower (NA), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
ha i know and love "pumped up kicks", though yeah, i'm kind of amazed it achieved the degree of play and lack of controversy it did
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
to be fair to the hoi polloi i don't think i grasped the lyrical content of kicks until the song was already in the top 10
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
this is like an Eagles verse stripped of social niceties
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:45 (ten years ago) link
Seems to me like someone from 4chan or a group of organized trolls decided it would be funny to request Date Rape every day.
― Moka, Thursday, 10 July 2014
4chan didn't even exist then.
― resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link
xp 'helena beat' was like the exact same song structurally with a bigger hook so i'm surprised it wasn't that one that was bigger if the lyrics dont have anything to do with it
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link
so wait no one's gonna pick The Smiths?
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link
"how soon is now" for worst? gtfo
― da croupier, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
that smiths song is kind of a jam isn't it
unless i'm thinking of the wrong one
― ciderpress, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
I assumed by now someone would have
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link
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― skip, Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
I'm probably voting for "Just a Girl" because their watery ska punk + her voice made late nineties radio unbearable.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
is there a lex of American modern rock? Kinda thinking he'd love No Doubt and hate The Smiths.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 10 July 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link