yeah it seems like she is just trying to figure out what she wants to do & is staying p chill in the meantime
― example (crüt), Friday, 12 September 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link
She's messing up having such a big gap between albums and touring so much.
nah, clearly no one's forgetting about her, better to take the time to make a great record. unless she's overthinking everything and ends up making a terrible record because of it, of course.
― festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 12 September 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link
I hope it doesn't turn into another nmh/mbv situation. I do think Visions was that good; it seems like it would be very hard to follow up
― Hot Drexel Students (Treeship), Friday, 12 September 2014 20:03 (ten years ago) link
"nah, clearly no one's forgetting about her, better to take the time to make a great record. unless she's overthinking everything and ends up making a terrible record because of it, of course."
When you look at her career though before and up to visions, and I was a fan back then, her output was frequent, 4 releases in 2 years. It suited her development and kind of highly momentary transient style. Visions and the lack of anything after it has shocked her a bit into anxiety that wasn't there before. I think she's absolutely a person who requires total personal freedom and it's clear thats been affected by the success. She's obviously a confident person but highly sensitive. She's in a bit of a block right now and then Go came out and it was just absolutely not the record anyone really wanted to hear (though the vocals were brilliant) after such a void. But it would've worked fine in the middle of other stuff or if people hadn't been so starved.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, 12 September 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
jordan is right. visions has set her up for big things and if she puts out a great record it could really catapult her. if it's wack her buzz will die down a bit (like on some current day MIA shit where she's fallen off the mainstream radar but can still be an indie superstar). it doesn't matter if that record came out last year or comes out next year tho.
― le goon (J0rdan S.), Friday, 12 September 2014 20:45 (ten years ago) link
https://twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/510531702125371392
― some dude, Friday, 12 September 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link
smdh ... haha
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Friday, 12 September 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link
mb some aliases/sideprojects to offload material w/out fretting about the brand all the time
― ogmor, Friday, 12 September 2014 22:46 (ten years ago) link
Lime-scales
― Liquid Plejades, Friday, 12 September 2014 22:51 (ten years ago) link
smdh....so many dead horses??? Dude that's fucked up why is Grimes killing horses?
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 12 September 2014 22:56 (ten years ago) link
with all those dead horses in the sun, how's grimes 'posed to get any writing done?
― Bitterer than Bitter (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 12 September 2014 23:07 (ten years ago) link
Like many young people who frequently change hair color, Boucher maintains an active Tumblr
― dmr, Saturday, 13 September 2014 01:46 (ten years ago) link
otm
― fedora, wherever it may find her (darraghmac), Saturday, 13 September 2014 13:33 (ten years ago) link
People who shave animal shapes into their hair usually haven't updated their tumblr in about 2 years iirc
― some dude, Saturday, 13 September 2014 13:55 (ten years ago) link
shaving my damn hair
― niels, Sunday, 14 September 2014 15:42 (ten years ago) link
stop making droopy hats......grimes is so judgmental! #grimesleavemyhatalone
― kornrulez6969, Sunday, 14 September 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link
http://m.pitchfork.com/news/57072-grimes-did-not-like-ariel-pinks-comments-about-madonna/
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 07:42 (ten years ago) link
i'm pretty sure claire publicly stated she didn't want her tumblr/twitter posts to become news stories
― j. winters (josh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 07:53 (ten years ago) link
what does she want them to become
― da croupier, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 08:00 (ten years ago) link
everyone needs to stop being mean to ariel pink
― ET sippin the wig (spazzmatazz), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 08:11 (ten years ago) link
hopefully a lengthy article about beta male misogyny will now get posted on every music forum
― PaulTMA, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 09:47 (ten years ago) link
Whats so misogonist about not likink Madonna's records?
― nostormo, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 12:42 (ten years ago) link
nothing per se but when you couch that dislike in vitriolic sexist/ageist/rockist language ppl are going to call you out on being a piece of shit
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 12:56 (ten years ago) link
i can easily take sides here, grimes is cool ariel pink seems like a dick, but somehow knowing about this story makes me feel like im wasting my life
― deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:07 (ten years ago) link
"She can’t just have her Avicii, her producers or whatever, come up with a new techno jam for her to gyrate to and pretend that she’s 20 years old. They actually need songs. I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing."
this sounds very sexist. but i am disturbed at the fact that it doesn't seem like ariel pink was actually ever contracted by madonna to write songs. he has always been a troubled guy... maybe now he is delusional?
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:12 (ten years ago) link
The sexist think is the 20 years old thing, but I think he would have said it also if it was a male singer that he used to like and now not, too.
― nostormo, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 13:32 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, there's nothing overtly misogynist/sexist in Pink's comments.
― Position Position, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:06 (ten years ago) link
But y'know, some guy called Default Genders has weighed in, so that's worth reporting.
oh huh cool James brooks put an album out
― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:08 (ten years ago) link
wtf. Saying that Madonna is only making music to 'gyrate to and pretend that she's 20 years old' (because old women, lol!) is completely misogynistic. Also implying that it's just her producers who make the music, while she just dances. Because of course Madonna can't be writing her own stuff.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link
there's nothing overt, just the ongoing theme of diminishing the songwriting talents of women and giving full credit to their producers, something that's seldom done to men
obviously different vocalists have varying levels of songwriting/arranging/production input on their albums but it's seldom used against men as a weapon to diminish their perceived talent
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:16 (ten years ago) link
whoops, Frederik beat me to it
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:17 (ten years ago) link
that point came to mind in the last few days following the news of Mark Bell's death. some people not that familiar with his LFO work mentioned his ongoing collaboration with Bjork, which is cool, but some people went far enough to say he was "responsible" for one of their fave Bjork albums which is completely wrongheaded as he was an amazing producer but Bjork notably does her own work. but I guess men do the real work, or something.
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 14:20 (ten years ago) link
"responsible" in this context is one of those terms which can mean pretty much any degree of credit for the final product. not sure where you saw it but I could imagine someone using it yesterday to bang out a Mark Bell obit as fast as possible without having to look into exactly what his role was
― well-behaved wingmen really hate Mystery (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
naw
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
I’m partly responsible for that return-to-values thing.
hahaha
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
What's that french sounding word that's like curator that sounds like orr-ter? That's what Madonna has always been. A genius of capturing some moment in some sort of scene, immersing in it, and blowing it up. Been associating herself near creatives since before she was famous, to be famous (i.e Basquiat in NY). AP not exactly the first person to say she's not a great singer or a great musician or doesn't play an instrument or whatever. It doesn't really matter to what she's doing and to say that she's not a musician like Prince or something isn't misogynist. She left her hometown to New York to be famous in showbusiness, not be a musician.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link
if you mean auteur, it doesn't mean what you think it means (but it's still applicable)if you mean hauteur, it also doesn't mean that, and it's definitely applicable
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:06 (ten years ago) link
did Raccoon Takuki just out himself as a britisher by thinking "au" has an "r" sound
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:07 (ten years ago) link
where's alfred to pull out all of madonna's songwriting receipts
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:08 (ten years ago) link
Last time I looked, singing was still being a musician.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:09 (ten years ago) link
thanks and yes I got it wrong.
but people have always said she couldn't sing. it doesn't matter. she's still a musician. these definitions are irrelevant.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:33 (ten years ago) link
bricoleur?
― the tune was space, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link
female pop singers can barely ever win when it comes to singing. either they "can't sing" (a charge rarely levelled at dudes where singing off-key too often codes as authenticity) or they're emotionless show-boating bots (mariah, whitney, celine)
― prolego, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:43 (ten years ago) link
who was saying madonna can't sing? i'm confused.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link
but prolego otm.
either they "can't sing" (a charge rarely levelled at dudes where singing off-key too often codes as authenticity)
I would like to point out for the record that I say this about dudes all the time (hi dere Ryan Tedder)
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
Same with men people always have their opinions. Dylan, McCartney, Lennon. I guess your barely ever win would have to include quite a few who do like Tracy Chapman, Joni, Flack, Diana Ross, Lauryn, Adele, Nina Simeone, Dolly, Dusty, Mary, Estefan, Kate Bush, Aretha, Aaliyah. Just because a few like Rihanna and Britney can't hold a note, Aguilera can't reign it in doesn't say that women vocalists 'never win when it comes to singing'
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
xpost a lot of people clearly do! prolego is referring to the voice of the patriarchy, just like everyone on every ILM thread
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 14 October 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
obviously with sexism being a major feature of recording industry in 20th century history of solo female pop music is more replete with female popstars who can't sing great. but obvs there's a tonne who are incredible and given all their due and to say female pop singers have "never won" on accreditation of their voices is just plain wrong and really a bizarre formulation.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 14 October 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link