Which Of These Alt-Rock Acts Would Most Infuriate You If They Made The R'n'R Hall Of Fame Before The Foo Fighters Undoubted Will In 2020

I don't love any of these but only the Stone Temple Pilots inclusion would really confuse/infuriate me

foo fighters would still maybe be worse than all but STP.

i guess Weezer would be the one that would annoy me the most if it happened so voted for them

i think about half of these bands may get in eventually but Pearl Jam will prob be the only one that gets inducted the first year they're eligible.

Tom Waits is probably the most unapologetically culty induction of the last few years, in some ways more surprising than when all those CBGBs bands got in.

i'm curious what hip hop acts have a chance, right now it's just Grandmaster Flash/Run DMC/Public Enemy/Beastie Boys, no idea how they will handle 90s hip hop. does 2Pac even have a shot?

hmmm... freudian slip there?

Was Radiohead omitted because they are too obvious or because nobody would be infuriated?

I think Oasis would come closest to making me infuriated about something like this, which is still not very close.

started reading list, hit Weezer, stopped reading list

Omg totally forgot that Pablo honey would allow them in before Foo

And here I thought the best "da croupier, you putz" option could be inxs or the pet shop boys or something

wilco just misses being eligible before foo fighters, actually I think they're eligible the same year? AM was released a couple month before FFs self titled.

Alanis will probably make the list, right? Anyway, voted STP.

Jagged Little Pill and AM are 1995 albums. Even if AM was 1994 they'd go under the Pavement slot as only one Wilco album has even gone gold. As for Alanis, while she's got those Canadian albums, she's slipped so deeply into cult status since Jagged that I can't imagine the HOF using the Canadian albums to get her in early.

Radiohead, though...goddamn, I can't believe I forgot them.

Weezer by a mile.

and yeah don't sweat the word "infuriated" pretend i said "cause you to scoff however mildly" if you're more zen than that

if there's a Rock 'n Roll Hall of Unremarkable, Weezer should be the inaugural inductees

Sheryl Crow is gonna make it though.

i will say it's vaguely bullshit if Cheap Trick and Boston don't get in before Weezer, but their pioneering efforts in the welding of indie simp and cockrock have clearly withstood the test of time

in terms of modern rock radio play i probably should have included sheryl crow on this list but it's realllllll hard to think of her as "alt-rock" in terms of her sound and choice of peers

while dave grohl's impressively display of classic-rock ass-smooching is what will get him in the HOF lickety-split, he still shows up at Bob Mould shows too

and let an ex-germ be one of his 80 rhythm guitarists

most of these are superior to foo fighters

logic for the bands i put on poll:

Pearl Jam: duh.
Rage Against The Machine: political, critically and commercially hailed, as close to a rap-rock group as dave marsh could likely tolerate
Soundgarden: just as america appreciated their sorta-classy grunge-to-hard-rock in 1994 i think the HOF could want a grunge-to-hard-rock act by 2019.
Alice In Chains: "damn grunge is good for ratings, anybody else respectable out there...oooh and pictures of a dead guy on stage, yeah."
Weezer: Getting Generation Y to watch will become increasingly important over the decade
Stone Temple Pilots: probably the biggest stretch but commercially enduring and a semi-bone-throw to the woodstock III crowd
The Pixies (Doolittle is platinum now!): the indie "influence" band that has made the most arena hay out of being one
Jane's Addiction: the dude invented lollapalooza
No Doubt: ska AND female front-person tokenism
Beck: a man who co-opted rap AND gordon lightfoot in the name of hipster cool
Bjork: Kate Bush is in
The Cure: SO FUCKING OVERDUE THE KINGS OF GOTH ARENA ROCK HOW CAN NINE INCH NAILS GET IN BEFORE THIS, BEATS MUSIC ILLUMINATI SHIT ASIDE
Depeche Mode: if any batch of post-kraftwerkian synth dweebs can get in, it's these arena fillers.
Oasis: They kept rock alive in the late 90s

and by "kept rock alive" i mean they were an ad for beatles albums

lol wait kate bush isn't in, oh well.

Criteria include the influence and significance of the artists’ contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

i think FF will prob get in at some point but probably not right away. Paul McCartney solo only got inducted after being eligible for several years and Wings never got in.

well if he doesn't it won't be for lack of trying

also as the years go on, they're going to be hard up for groups with any degree of currency. it was a pretty rich market when paul was up for a nod.

also c'mon paul mccartney and wings weren't going to get separate inductions

were Smashing Pumpkins an oversight in this poll or fall into some other category? i feel like they're more likely than all but maybe 3 on the list

xpost AW MAN forgot them too dammit

i'll say the foos might have had to wait a while in an alternate reality where Kurt Cobain/Plastic Love Band existed

corgan's such a dillpickle i'd be more inclined to say "all but 3" will get in before them (neither yes nor the cure are in) but pumpkins definitely belong on the list

i mean who in the industry is like "you know who needs more respect, billy corgan" aside from billy corgan

it's gotta be fuckin Weezer

Bjork is the only person listed I want to see inducted (incl. FF).

Billy Corgan could definitely have a great Mike Love moment at the podium

Bjork: Kate Bush is in

Time for another debate about PJ Harvey's odds.

Weezer, christ

the only purpose of the rock and roll hall of fame was to troll kiss fans and it doesn't even serve that purpose anymore, so why would anyone let themselves get infuriated by someone getting in

see above where i suggested one not let verb choice disrupt their zen

voting "da croupier, you putz" not just out of shame for forgetting radiohead and the pumpkins but also because, while radiohead predates weezer in terms of possible induction, and weezer's critical stature wasn't solidified until the '00s, it stems up from albums circa 94-96, where radiohead's mostly stems from albums circa 95-00. seeing thom york on stage would force me to acknowledge that the my college years are now classic rock rather than my high school years. so they'd offend me most.

Foo fighters are worse than all the poll options

This is clearly No Doubt. Are there any ska bands in the RnRHOF? It would be like, say, Fatboy Slim getting elected before Chic. Wait, that'll probably happen!

Tori Amos has way more chance than Björk, imo: multiple platinum records, domestic, always-been-on-a-major, high-grossing tours, etc. The only infuriating thing for me is seeing that DM and Cure are not yet HOF'd that is strange

Yeah I guess I see tori as having less cultural recognition or critical stature, despite selling more in the early 90s and being more prolific. But since all the early alt ladies are playing to the converted and not guesting on singing competition shows or played on 90s nostalgia radio much, its hard to guess where the hall will go when they decide they need to acknowledge some.

I mean there's always Hole

dgaf. none of these would infuriate me bc the rnrhof is meaningless.

i really should have added an "i am above such concerns, despite being a music-nerd board regular, and want you to know that" option

I dislike Oasis but it's hard to deny their place in the world as a significant rock band

I like them and i do deny it. Boy, the UK is a funny place.

Bjork is the only person listed I want to see inducted (incl. FF).

You hate rock 'n' roll, big surprise.

it's not Eric's Hall of Shake Your Ass Music

Problem #1.

i mean, i know how to fix the Pro Football HOF too -- by inducting Bonds and Clemens

(At this point I would easily believe STP are less popular/listened-to than the Pixies, who at least have a couple of ubiquitous gateway songs that have been used in fucking everything, aside from the magazine countdown list effect. They may even be less popular than Pavement and Sonic Youth although probably outside of my bubble there are bar bands wowing the crowd with boozy covers of "Tripping On A Hole In A Paper Heart" and "Creep.")

STP have been largely forgotten yes but Weezer had a pretty decent stretch of commercially and artistically successful albums and hit singles and, for whatever it's worth, I still run in to loads of people who love them.

i will say it's vaguely bullshit if Cheap Trick and Boston don't get in before Weezer

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STP have been largely forgotten

Really? The classic rock/'world class rock' station here has played them twice since noon today.

Woah, that surprises me. What songs?

Stone Temple Pilots is what the radio folks call a "core artist" in the Active Rock world. Take a look at this Mediabase request list for one of the leading Active Rock stations WRIF:

http://www.mediabase.com/mmrweb/7/stationplaylistrequest.asp?format=H1&OB=1

There are eight STP songs in recurrent (meaning older songs that still get consistent airplay), which is more than the likes of Alice In Chains (6), Ozzy (7), Pearl Jam (6), Soundgarden (5) and Red Hot Chili Peppers (5), and as many as AC/DC and Motley Crue.

Active Rock will be playing the shit out of Stone Temple Pilots for years to come.

Well, color me surprised! Re: Pearl Jam in particular.

What songs?

"Plush" and "Vasoline"

STP were pretty huge (Core sold almost as many copies as Nevermind) but obv they always had a 'tier 2 alt rock' vibe and have further tarnished their brand over the years with breakups and stuff (Chester Bennington is currently their lead singer, which i'd already forgotten about). nobody remembers any song they did after '96, unlike RHCP or Green Day etc.

Woah, that surprises me. What songs?

― Doctor Casino,

IN the last week I've heard "Interstate Love Song" and "Plush." These guys have never gone away.

They're like the Creedence of grunge.

So weird to me. I like their singles plenty, just never got the impression they had any kind of rep. Wonder if bands like them have benefited, legacy-wise, from the fact that not having a single "great" album with a place in the canon doesn't really matter in the digital era.

to unpack my earlier short-hand about including stp on this poll: probably the biggest stretch but commercially enduring and a semi-bone-throw to the woodstock III crowd

again, the band least likely to, but they had new rock radio hits long after the grunge era including a comeback during the nu-metal era. granted, Chicago and ELO aren't in the Hall Of Fame yet, so "inescapable radio fare" doesn't guarantee induction esp if you lack artistic cred. but the HOF has been making hay with some Gen X titans who debuted in the 80s but didn't really peak until the 90s, and as boomer acts get more geriatric with each year, they're not going to want to lose the Gen X to millennial "rock" viewing audience. so i think commercially enduring "rock" groups that had success from 92-02 will get in quicker than their peers from 72-82. though even then, I can see Alice In Chains, Rage Against The Machine, the other machos on the poll, getting in with fewer hackles.

also where b-level acts from the 70s could be ignored to rush in "started in the 70s, blew up up in the 80s", the post-napster collapse of the industry means there aren't really many "started in the 90s, blew up in the 00s" rock acts to rope in millennial ratings with. so they're going to be stuck with b-level 90s acts.

Plenty of rock bands who blew up in the 00s, but I guess the thing is that it's rare now that bands cut their teeth in relative obscurity for a few years/albums and then get their big break, but instead are picked up in the pre-demo stage, matched with the producer-du-jour and are marketed with full major label force for their debut. It's a new MO for sure but I don't really see that as a "collapse of the industry".

But I guess Coldplay and Muse are the quintessential "started in the 90s blew up in the 00s" bands.

Coldplay's first album was released in 2000, they only JUST count.

Oasis are probably the worst here other than maybe Stone Temple Pilots which is just so unlikely as to not be worth the vote, so I went for Weezer because seriously.

no doubt would be baffling and prob impossible

fyi muse has yet to even go platinum in the us, so if they're the quintessential band that "blew up" in the 00s that kind of proves my point that few did

and if you don't believe there's been a "collapse of the industry" google "music industry collapse"

Voted Oasis as the band here I hate the most.

Weezer would be especially objectionable, but I still like their first album, so y'know...

Not in the sense that the industry makes less money (that's obvious), but in the sense that they can't launch bands into superstardom anymore. Even if fans are stealing rather than buying their albums these days, bands like Muse, Foo Fighters, Kings Of Leon, Coldplay etc are superstars to their generation in the same sense that Pink Floyd or Led Zeppelin were - they sell out the same arenas etc.

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top 2 otm

awww i like that nobody hates the cure

Oh plenty hate the Cure but not as much as these other bozos.

weezer twice as infuriating as oasis? what the fuck? what has oasis done that's even close to the green album?

the ... green album?

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Impressed by their restraint in waiting until 2021

worst hall ever

beaten by cure, depeche mode, and pearl jam. 7 infuriated ilxors by my count.

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damn b2k is almost rrhof eligible

Beck, Bjork & Addiction, my favourite supergroup. (Dumb old-guy joke.)

worst hall ever

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it's not Eric's Hall of Shake Your Ass Music
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I still say it should be.

Besides the three that are already in, the only acts to get nominated were RATM, Soundgarden and Jane's Addiction.

i think both rage and soundgarden have a pretty good chance of eventually getting in.

tom morello is not quite on the dave grohl level of "rock ambassador" but he's close. and people seem to miss chris cornell.