Yes, the simplicity and airiness of Ruins makes it a serene, reflective listening experience--far more accessible than her previous albums, which I think explains its high placement in a few lists. But I found it striking that so many critics seemed enamored with the concept of a microwave beeping.
To these ears Dead Deer is still far and away her best work, with Cover the Windows and Walls not far behind.
― Indexed, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:14 (nine years ago) link
I have been avoiding Mr Twin Sister all year because for some reason I got them muddled up with Twin Shadow
― why you gotta be so rmde (NickB), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
RTJ2 works better as a whole piece than the first one, but first record def is more pure fun shit-talking rap
― indie fuxxor albums i have secretly spotified (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:14 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah my priorities exposed here
― young thug squarepants (imago), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
wait there's a microwave beeping on the Grouper record? I need to give it another try
― example (crüt), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link
I was all enthusiastic about listening to mr twin sister despite their name bc of that tim f description but it fell very short. Pleasant enough whatevia I guess, in one ear and out the other, young galaxy without the songs?
Whoa at rtj2 placing so low!!!
― lex pretend, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
xxp nothin wrong with that!
― indie fuxxor albums i have secretly spotified (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
it sounds exactly like my microwave too so its fucked me up so many times
― ciderpress, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
Couldn't listen to this. didn't like the first one much either. don't want to do an imago here too much but something about the brutalist production seemed to make the very explicitly misogynist lyrics on that first one felt 10 times stronger. This record is just unrelenting bash-you-over-the-head EDM-hop that didn't agree with my ears at all.
― pig∞n (dog latin), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link
Run the Jewels is the Killer Mike/El-P collab, right? I thought "R.A.P. Music" was okay, but Mike's one-trick flow gets tiring after while, and El-P is still 10 times worse than him as a rapper, so I had no interest for this project.
― Tuomas, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
rtj2 was okay, people seem to have soured on el-p as a producer but i still like him for the most part. idk about his rapping though, that's always been mildly embarrassing
― ciderpress, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
lol ciderpress
― brain floss mix (sleeve), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
Today has not been a good run for me so far. Hope the top ten delivers
― pig∞n (dog latin), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link
(for yr microwave post, not that new one)
I Pledge Allegiance To The Grind I+II >> R.A.P. Music >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Run The Jewels
― example (crüt), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
I like El-P as a producer a lot, but I wish he was more like Flava Flav to Killer Mike's Chuck D instead of them getting equal time.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link
Hated the first RTJ record, but am tentatively warming up to this one. For the most part, though, these records, along with R.A.P. Music and the record that El-P released around that same time, prove for me that Mike's place is in front of the mic and El-P's is behind the mixing board.
― That shit right there is precedented. (cryptosicko), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link
Whatever El-P's vocal deficiencies, he writes great lyrics imo
― young thug squarepants (imago), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link
if there's any str8-up misogyny on this album I will be deflated - let this be your challenge
whatever you think of him as a rapper, I feel like el-p has at least become indisputably better at it since teaming up with Killer Mike.
― intheblanks, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
rtj is awful and if u like it ur a bad person
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:28 (nine years ago) link
elp has maybe the least sense of rhythm of anyone in the world
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
less than a mormon dad dancing at a wedding
Never heard Grouper before, thought I might quite like it but found bit mundane/flat, wasn't very drawn in off the one track i played anyway.
Never heard run the jewels before either, I dont get this, its leaden and tiring
― saer, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:29 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/tnodWUV.jpg
12 CHARLI XCX Sucker [688 points, 21 votes, 3 first place votes]
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
his lyrics are so cringely begging for someone anyone (louis) to think hes smart
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
lol Mr Twin Sister is sitting in that pocket of "pretty unchallenging music" that I've been bitching about for the past 3-4 years but manages to evoke enough sophistipop echoes of Swing Out Sister for me to work (with emphasis on "echoes"; this is no direct Twilight World pastiche)
― "Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link
what a sad end for killer mike
my fave rtj hot-take was from a non-ilx friend "man its ok but i can only listen to 40 year old men screaming about fuckboys for so long"
― gr8080, Friday, January 23, 2015 12:01 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― gr8080, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
xp yeah being more successful than ever commercially and critically seems super shitty for michael render
― indie fuxxor albums i have secretly spotified (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
Was hoping this would scrape the top 10. It was my number two. If' I'd had longer with it I would have probably put it at number one. Such a fantastic album all the way through. Loved True Romance but thought this was a big step up.
― Kitchen Person, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
sucker is great, was my #5 or #6
― indie fuxxor albums i have secretly spotified (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link
Was hoping this would scrape the top 10
might have had more chance if it had been released in the UK yet
― why you gotta be so rmde (NickB), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
― young thug squarepants (imago), Thursday, January 29, 2015 12:15 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is the oddest sentiment abt this album, like from whineys piece
If there were a Grammy for Most Creative Ways to Say "We're the Best" ("We might be giants standing on little dandy shoulders/You punks is pussy, proverbial pansy panty-holders") these guys would win it, or take it by gunpoint.
this is not fun or confident or burning or shit talky, this is some try hard bs
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
I don't know about the lyrics of Run the Jewels, but Killer Mike's debut has one of the best pro-women rap tunes by a male rapper that I've heard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6kbXLuzOuw
(Not that he'd be the first rapper to have made both anti-sexist and blatantly sexist songs, see 2Pac for example.)
― Tuomas, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link
The opener of Sucker is a blast but despite the undeniably catchy hooks I still feel like charli's not quite there, a lot of these songs rely on a rush of energy but end up being kinda lumpen? I was expecting it to grow on me but it failed both the Drunk On The Night Bus pop test and the workout test. Feel like she has greatness in her but it's like her major pop star ambitions work in the opposite way. I do not understand stanning for her
― lex pretend, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link
if there's any str8-up misogyny on this album I will be deflated - let this be your challenge― young thug squarepants
― Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
Proper pop.Just realised war on drugs may not place after all
Might get off my chair.
― sock (strychnine), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
War on Drugs is absolutely going to place.
― Simon H., Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
The notion of nitpicking RTJ2 for sexism/misogyny is ridic in light of other stuff that's placed.
― Simon H., Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
Nah, WoD is in. But only one of Perfume Genius, Sharon von Etten, or The Juan McLean made it. We've snubbed Perfume Genius in tracks.
― The inscrutable savantism of (Sanpaku), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:40 (nine years ago) link
xp Agreed. People's expectations for Charli XCX must be really low if they think Sucker delivers.
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
Remember, it's being done in order to make fun of LJ
― "Go pet your dog" is the name of my dog (DJP), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:41 (nine years ago) link
It's fun but I kept thinking of the Sky Ferreira album - they have some of the same collaborators - and Sucker doesn't touch it.
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
I would pull some examples of lyrics from YOB, Electric Wizard, Mastodon, Wo Fat, Truckfighters, etc., but lyrics sites are notoriously riddled with malware and mostly blocked at work.
― Fastnbulbous, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
i kind of think of RTJ as the ZOMBIES BACON of rap. lines like "we tell monsters to suck our dicks" and the "run naked backwards through a field of dicks" would have blown my mind and cracked me the f up circa age 13. i don't hate the album though, i love the "dick in the mouth all day" song. and while some of the beats knock ridically i find the sorta edm style just makes me imagine a horizon of tan white college bros in tank tops at some festival
mr twin sister is my album of the year that's actually an album. gr80 its insane that u haven't heard it you would love it. the whole thing's great but it's all about the centerpieces 'in the house of yes' and 'out of the dark.' kind of rare to hear an indie-ish album made by studio-level skilled musicians and they really take to the next level. i think the criticism u could level at it is that its so easily decomposable into its influences. max said sade sugarcubes which is kinda ridiculously on point. but it's a novel influence mix imo, and they just utterly nail it. best album i wouldn't have bothered checking out if it weren't for the ilm thread
― flopson, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
those words are problematic sure but that is goofy spitballing compared to the other shit we've seen
charli xcx has her moments I guess /Marina grumble
― young thug squarepants (imago), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
war on drugs get off my chairwar on drugsget off my chair
― how's life, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
To be honest, I was smitten with "Nuclear Seasons" and to a lesser extent "Stay Away", and the move from gothpop to more mainstream teen fare hasn't caught me in its wake.
― The inscrutable savantism of (Sanpaku), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:43 (nine years ago) link
'sucker' was disappointing to me, her placing ahead of so many other much worthier contenders is weird. feel like she lost something in her rush to be a megastar and collab w/iggy or whatever.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
sanpaku otm