I was regretful that I left Mr Twin Sister out of the tail end of my ballot but I'm glad to see it didn't need my help.
"I am a woman / But inside I'm a man / And I want to be as gay as I can" before exploding into a storm of synths was one of the year's more thrilling pop moments.
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:18 (nine years ago) link
The use of the world "functional" in fgti's description is, I think, key. No one gets too sneerily dismissive about purely functional dance music. Everyone accepts Music for Airports. But the suggestion that this year's sacrifical indie album is simply a noise interval well-crafted to suit certain environments is supposed to arrive as a knockout punch. A great deal more music is functionally ambient than is often supposed, and ambient music is as worthy as any other sort, imo. It seems that The War on Drugs construct a sonic environment that many find especially appealing, welcoming, chill or whatever. Wanted to say something similar in response to Lex's earlier suggestion that Mirel Lambert does Grouper better than Liz Harris. I disagree. Mirel Lambert is a traditional singer-songwriter working in a rather understated and atmospheric mode. Liz Harris is an ambient artist using what might seem to be a singer-songwriter's tools. At least that's how I hear and appreciate her music. It doesn't suffer at all by comparison by someone who might reasonably be described as a "better songwriter".
― A Severus of Snapes (contenderizer), Thursday, January 29, 2015 5:03 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Agreed. I have the same problem with lumping radio pop together with its own generic setting since I'm not a fan of that style.
― Evan, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:20 (nine years ago) link
I liked flopson's response and liked contendo's addendum. Ftr I'm not being dismissive about generic indie in saying it's measured by competence, I like a lot of super-competent generic indie (Sloan, the first A.C. Newman record)!
@ Craigo make an effort to listen to the words in "Clearing", "Alien Observer" and "Come Softly" (esp. "Alien Observer") she is quietly a devastatingly good lyricist
― sonny and sber (fgti), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link
OK, I only have one question for each and every one of you.
Why did you not tell me about Mr. Twin Sister?
― The Reverend, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:27 (nine years ago) link
enjoying this YG album so far, production is great. reminds me of classic gangsta rap albums like 'doggystyle'
― Stig of the sanctimonious uncontextualized linkdump (Michael B), Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:36 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link
I've had more critics and normal people say they "finally " "get" Swift with this album.
the whole 1989 rollout has been a masterclass in (re)branding - from her pointed genre shift to her new hyper-stylish single lady in nyc image to her savvy use of social media - and i think ppl's perception of tswift has changed more than their reaction to her music. i don't know whether they actually "get" her more or they just prefer that she's no longer a teenage girl singing overtly feminine country songs about ex-boyfriends. + i've noticed the fact that she writes the songs herself seems to have become a big bonus point in her favour to regular ppl. her banging on about it for 8 years (and tacking those voice memo bonus tracks onto the album) and making it the focal part of her appeal has really paid off.
i'm surprised 1989 has got the highest enthusiam score in the top 77 though tbh!
― prolego, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link
xxp when I saw it in the rotation at my radio station I assumed it was some horrible cutesy thing w/ukeleles, sorry
― brain floss mix (sleeve), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link
Yeah 'Alien Observer' is pretty clear and damn beautifully emotional tbh
― ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:30 (nine years ago) link
@ rev: Mr Twin Sister
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
Thanks JF!
― RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:35 (nine years ago) link
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:53 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i don't understand how they didn't already with RED, which is way way better and more revealing of her aesthetic/personality/insecurities etc, imo, but i guess i can see that
― indie fuxxor albums i have secretly spotified (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:35 (nine years ago) link
happy abt d'angelo
flopson, StV is a legitimately talented guitarist--must see her live to appreciate her chops
― Indexed, Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
hoping for the covers album Cold Shot: StV Does SRV
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:36 (nine years ago) link
RED was definitely my "in" for Swifty, and I had big hopes for 1989 (and they initially seemed to be fulfilled), but it wasn't long before I stopped listening to it at all.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:37 (nine years ago) link
don't understand how they didn't already with RED, which is way way better and more revealing of her aesthetic/personality/insecurities etc, imo, but i guess i can see that
― indie fuxxor albums i have secretly spotified (slothroprhymes
I prefer 1989 like most of the boards knows, but I suspect Swift's reached such popular mass that the former skeptics have started to soften -- like people who hate rock finally getting the Beatles in '65 after realizing they weren't going away.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:39 (nine years ago) link
and gay marriage
xxp same here, more or less. i listen to certain songs on 1989 regularly (style, out of the woods, blank space, new romantics) but since the week it came out i've listened all the way through like...twice.
― indie fuxxor albums i have secretly spotified (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:40 (nine years ago) link
red coincided with the absolute worst time for her public image - the whole gyllenhaal/styles relationship drama and "we are never getting back together" (although self-parody) fed into the worst perceptions of her being a clingy maneater. "i knew you were trouble" felt just as big as any of the recent singles but it felt a lot harder to sell tswift credibly to ppl than it does it now.
(the most impressive thing about 1989 is she's sold a fairly standard break-up album as being a 1980s influenced soundtrack to being single in nyc).
― prolego, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:42 (nine years ago) link
read that as "being single in NSync."
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:43 (nine years ago) link
So basically it's Girls: the album? Yikes.
― The Reverend, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link
it's more looking
― prolego, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
Eyvind Kang - Alastor: The Book Of Angels vol.21Tinariwen - EmmaarHead High - MegatrapTerrence Parker - Life On The Back 9Jennifer Castle - Pink CityGangsta Boo & Beatking - Underground Cassette Tape MusicChris Forsyth and the Solar Motel Band - Intensity GhostCurren$y - The Drive In TheatreEdward - Into A Better Future
My expectations are always way off on this poll, but I thought at least one of these would place or maybe even a few! Gangsta Boo would have been a shoe in if not for her 2 strong releases. Although I thought most of them were massively odds against to place after 60.
― xelab, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:52 (nine years ago) link
The use of the world "functional" in fgti's description is, I think, key. No one gets too sneerily dismissive about purely functional dance music. Everyone accepts Music for Airports. But the suggestion that this year's sacrifical indie album is simply a noise interval well-crafted to suit certain environments is supposed to arrive as a knockout punch. A great deal more music is functionally ambient than is often supposed, and ambient music is as worthy as any other sort, imo. It seems that The War on Drugs construct a sonic environment that many find especially appealing, welcoming, chill or whatever.
Agree with this, but the caveat might be that indie's trend towards pure functionalism is in many senses self-denying - it is part of indie's narrative that it is never purely functional, it's always (to use nabisco's formulation) a twisting or making-strange of available archetypes. And I think that if an album of "purely functional dance music" was considered album of the year by music critic consensus a lot of people would be very sneerily dismissive (albeit more on RYM than on ILM), most people would conclude that such an album does not deserve to be album of the year without something more going on.
So I think that in a lot of ways the consensus support for The War On Drugs is actually the best demonstration of the kind of critical double-standard that still remains in the wider world of music crit and fandom: we don't ask for demonstrations of something beyond competence from indie because the assumption of that "something more" is already built into our understanding of the genre as a whole.
― Tim F, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link
Here's the imgur album with all the covers, btw: http://imgur.com/a/rU6gz#0
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:56 (nine years ago) link
Depends whether Fisher Price version of Eddie and the Cruisers is supposed to be (a) competent (b) something more
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:57 (nine years ago) link
johnny fever you still planning to do a 2000-2014 tracks/albums poll in the summer?
― Get Ducked (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, penciling it in for August/September-ish.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 January 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link
Tim I like that, and I would submit that the "something more" or twisting/making-strange quality of "indie" has slowly disappeared, not just from the music itself (see Alfred's comment about "boring roots rock" above), but from the genre/concept as a whole - it's no longer oppositional, it's the norm, so what used to be a funhouse mirror reflection of the dominant culture now comes across as navel-gazing or water-treading as opposed to twisted or strange.
― brain floss mix (sleeve), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link
lets do it now xp
― lag∞n, Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link
just start reveling the results itt
obv we will all have competing definitions of what is just competent/functional and what is the ~twist~ and I'm not denying that TWOD are distinctive, more that at a very broad social dialogue about music level an album of equivalent "something more"-ness in any almost other genre would really struggle to build that level of consensus support (Rolling Stone love of U2 etc. aside).
― Tim F, Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link
― Tim F, Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:55 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
once again glad it's not my job to care about this kind of stuffrecord is nice imo
and honestly i think it is unique in its own way (vile being a close comparison obviously but they are so interconnected it's hard to separate, i personally rate vile higher), it's weird to me as someone who engages in a lot of rock music to hear people writing this off as "generic" indie because i don't consider this trad indie at all, and honestly i put it more in the classic rock zone than indie anyway
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:01 (nine years ago) link
definitely
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:01 (nine years ago) link
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, January 29, 2015 4:57 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i disagree, there's no elements of rock 'n roll (in the 50s sense) in this as there are in eddie in the cruisers, it has elements of springsteen but not the elements that connected springsteen to the 50s or spector
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:02 (nine years ago) link
haha it's great how we're arguing about conventional the purported influences can be
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
*about HOW
I guess the point I was trying to make is that what was once considered "indie" is now almost literally classic rock
WOD being exhibit A in this transformation
― brain floss mix (sleeve), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:06 (nine years ago) link
everywhere ya gokids wanna rock
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:07 (nine years ago) link
yep
A+ display name btw
― brain floss mix (sleeve), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:10 (nine years ago) link
ty :)
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:11 (nine years ago) link
i wonder to what extent availability on spotify played into the results? it seems like a very high % of these albums were easily accessible (obv taylor swift a big exception)
― Mordy, Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:11 (nine years ago) link
In the 80s/90s "indie" to me meant the self-denial of the guitar-bass-drums lineup, only they couldn't get on the redio.
― The inscrutable savantism of (Sanpaku), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:14 (nine years ago) link
^ er radio. The biggest distinguishing mark was cheap production and guy-next-door vocals.
― The inscrutable savantism of (Sanpaku), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:15 (nine years ago) link
+ i've noticed the fact that she writes the songs herself seems to have become a big bonus point in her favour to regular ppl.
Except that the fact that she shares writing credits on most of 1989's tracks is a reason for people like Sady Doyle to keep dismissing her.
― Tove Lo Tove You Baby (jaymc), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:22 (nine years ago) link
(Actually, this tweet prob more relevant to that point.)
― Tove Lo Tove You Baby (jaymc), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:23 (nine years ago) link
If people had to PAY for an album they sure as hell were gonna vote for it!
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:25 (nine years ago) link
I pay for access to about a gazillion albums each month
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:26 (nine years ago) link
1989 def would have made my top gazillion
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:28 (nine years ago) link
How much of the Taylor narrative is really based around "writes all her own songs"? She hasn't exactly been reclusive about the fact that she did this album with Martin and Antonoff. I also recall reading a very lengthy and frank post from Imogen Heap as to how they came up with "Clean".
― bae sremmurd (monotony), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:34 (nine years ago) link
there's a weird "one drop" rule when pop stars' songwriting ability is being questioned where if any collaborator did anything, they did everything.
― some dude, Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:39 (nine years ago) link
one weird drop rule to determine songwriting credits
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Thursday, 29 January 2015 23:40 (nine years ago) link