I find Lex's genre-battle approach both exhilirating to read and completely alien to how I think about music.
Enjoyed all your posts contenderizer
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 30 January 2015 16:29 (nine years ago) link
i think ppl should be using 'atmospheric' to describe that war on drugs records. doing a kinda scott seward disoriented grandpa thing here but i dont really have a sense of what ppl are talking about when the say 'indie' rn. i did really like the war on drugs records, listened to it a fair bit but i feel like it kinda falls into that matt p thread about 'inconsquential music' i was reading like its not really situated w/in the current aesthetic or social context for 2014 indie? its just sorta... its own thing but not in a tastemaking way. idk
― wizaerd (Lamp), Friday, January 30, 2015 7:53 AM (25 minutes ago)
oh, do disoriented grandpa! i love that.
good post, kidding aside. agree that "atmospheric" is a good description of the vibe-based pleasures offered by lost in the dream. that's what i was getting at in describing it as functionally ambient: songwriting aside, it creates & maintains a distinct sonic environment, one that many find enjoyable for obvious reasons. i'm not eager to distance it from "indie", though. indie's a big tent, and the war on drugs don't seem so terribly out of place slotted alongside acts like kurt vile (obviously), the hold steady and even fleet foxes.
― A Severus of Snapes (contenderizer), Friday, 30 January 2015 16:37 (nine years ago) link
also, good call on the thread connection with matt's "inconsequential music". i'd wanted to rope that in yesterday, re: indie generalism's magpie mentality, but i could make it fit and had gone on forever already.
― A Severus of Snapes (contenderizer), Friday, 30 January 2015 16:40 (nine years ago) link
Contendo making cool and interesting posts. Lex otm as always
Just to be clear, my usage of the word "competent" was not meant to be demeaning in any way or suggest that somehow functional music is less-than uhhhh "art music" or what you will. I am a card-carrying AC Newman fan. "Generic indie" bands make up 90% of my client base. But yeah, sound of the monoculture. When the comfort of a steak and a bougie ragout is available to me then I can enjoy this music recreationally. The only time I work up a sweat about "too music indie rock" is when I see festival line-ups and there are no girls or queers
― sonny and sber (fgti), Friday, 30 January 2015 16:51 (nine years ago) link
"Generic indie" bands make up 90% of my client base
indie rock well much clientele anything u needhe probably sell
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 January 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
also the way these "serious debates" play out is a good reminder that i'm still basically lobbing jokes from the ILX kid's table
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 January 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link
Would like to say that the AWVFTS record was a major code-crack for me. I feel like a lot of people on Erased Tapes have been on the comfortable side of the field, closer to the "not-as-good-as-actual-chamber-music" of fifteen-years-ago post-rock than something that is new and profound. But yeah they cracked the code, ATOMOS is an enormous watershed moment to my ears. All the discipline of Feldman but with a lovely elegance. Really melted my heart and I've spent my whole life smiling politely at that style of disguised easy listening music whither it's Sigur Ros or Tim Hecker
― sonny and sber (fgti), Friday, 30 January 2015 16:59 (nine years ago) link
Ive been wanting ti check out Winged Victory since 2011. Maybe it's time I finally did so
― the war on me (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 30 January 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
ILM indie mockery is fine but it teeters on close-mindedness and hi-fiving each other's narrow tastes a lot of the time
― Darin, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
does it, though
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Friday, 30 January 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
yep
― Darin, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:26 (nine years ago) link
*hi-5*
― 龜, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link
there's a lot of indie love on this forum, it just tends to not manifest on the poll rollout threads as strongly as pop / dance / r&b etc love. probably because 'indie' is so fractured and ill-defined that it doesn't really have the same type of rallying points
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link
imo its because indies know they are shameful
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
i certainly do
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
lol no its because indies are ruthless appropriators of everything else
― wizaerd (Lamp), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
feel like were finally getting somewhere
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link
http://bygonebureau.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/vote.jpg
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link
enough shame to know they need to appropriate everything else, not enough shame to refrain from it
― lex pretend, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
I don't recognise P4k indie as worth giving a shit about, the rampant conservatism is anathema to anything definable as worthy in the sense if beind independent. Soundtracking a Harvester meal seems about right. Would not identify as indie, UK DIY definitely bcs a lot to be proud of. Indie rock is growing old and mostly very boring.
― ineloquentwow (Craigo Boingo), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:41 (nine years ago) link
The bad records are bad because they make a horrible sound, not because of where they are in the supermarket
― saer, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link
lol no its because indies musicians are ruthless appropriators of everything else
― Darin, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link
kinda vibe ilms place in the vanguard of indie cultural appropriation tbh - making the pop country and adult r&b nabes safe for the p4ks of the world to plant their eoy lists in.
― in de rawk (Lamp), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link
tru
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:44 (nine years ago) link
btw i enjoyed the mr twin sister record its neat
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 January 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
no one is innocent
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link
musicians are ruthless appropriators of everything else
otm
― example (crüt), Friday, 30 January 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link
Lex pretend otm with his last two posts
― The Ghost of (strychnine), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
― sonny and sber (fgti), Friday, January 30, 2015 5:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hey, great you warmed to this man! Remember your initial reservations,but you cracked it alright :)
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link
― The Ghost of (strychnine), Friday, January 30, 2015 1:04 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
if lex is kid rock i guess yr joe c.
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:24 (nine years ago) link
― lex pretend, Friday, January 30, 2015 12:41 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i thought you liked juan maclean
― goole, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:38 (nine years ago) link
btw juan maclean used to be in this band called six finger satellite that seemingly opened for every touring band who came through boston when i was a youth, i def saw them over ten times and didnt really care ever
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:41 (nine years ago) link
i like his dance music tho
not the new album so much
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:42 (nine years ago) link
six finger satellite i guess at the height of grunge sent sup pop a fake grunge demo and got signed then just recorded their normal synthy music for release and sub pop never commented on the discrepancy
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
i'd heard that story yeah. never heard 6FS tho! they were post punk before that was cool, right?
― goole, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:44 (nine years ago) link
post punk was very cool then idk they didnt seem out of place opening up for like jesus lizard
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:45 (nine years ago) link
but i guess they were ahead of the curve as far as being into like synthesizers and general machiney music in that scene, same as like trans am
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:46 (nine years ago) link
feel like juan might be a little overselling how progressive they were i mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0OBlrx6qQw
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:47 (nine years ago) link
Rev I'm pretty sure I played this for you when you were over haha
― 龜, Friday, January 30, 2015 5:20 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Think what threw you off was that I mentioned the Sade comparison that gets thrown around and obviously everything that isn't Sade starts sounding a little bland as soon as you mention Sade
― 龜, Friday, January 30, 2015 5:50 AM Bookmark
I don't remember this at all! Just us playing a whole bunch of goon rap. I blame the whiskey.
― aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:49 (nine years ago) link
6FS ruled
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:51 (nine years ago) link
idk that youtube sounds like the rockier end of DFA stuff already to me
― aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link
yeah theres def something going on there but it also doesnt sound that diff than like shellac
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:56 (nine years ago) link
that electronic meets touch n go tuff guy thing wasn't nec uncommon though - trans am, girls vs. boys, etc were all in that zone
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:57 (nine years ago) link
the whole edgy tuff guy aspect of that music is so hilarious in retospect
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 19:58 (nine years ago) link
you wouldn't want to meet GVSB in a dark alley though. all those dark clothes, you might not see them and bump into them and injure yourself.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 30 January 2015 19:59 (nine years ago) link
they might say something deeply cynical and disturbing to you about like society
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:00 (nine years ago) link
look out, he's got guttural sloganeering + bass jams
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
GVSB came up to mpls to record an album and they did a residency night for a while on wednesdays at this bar, it was super awesome they would play & have guests & dj and stuff, p cool
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link
i still f/w all that stuff though
― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:02 (nine years ago) link