im interested in the hipster/indie divide i lived in new york so long i didnt know there were still indies left but then i visited portland and it was full of em i was like wow
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link
I said upthread somewhere that indie to me just describes a demographic
― Evan, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:31 (nine years ago) link
indies buy records, hipsters buy cassettes
― brain floss mix (sleeve), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
there's plenty of indies in the bullshit college town i live in now but scant dear hipstros
― flopson, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:32 (nine years ago) link
sad
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:33 (nine years ago) link
the greatest trick the devil ever played was teaching indies to be sexy (hipsters)
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:34 (nine years ago) link
there's a class element to indie / hipster imo
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
ur a class element
― flopson, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link
i am it's true
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link
it def requires less money to be indie than hipster
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link
indie defensive hipster offensive
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link
tru
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:38 (nine years ago) link
just tryin out words
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link
I'm very confused. I thought that hipsters could only be defined by what they're not.
― Evan, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:39 (nine years ago) link
no u can tell by how the pants are slim cut
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:40 (nine years ago) link
sexy pants
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
major faction of non hipster indies in 2015 is like ppl who got into indie circa cute woodsy bearded lumbersexual picnic in a meadow animal-themed band names circa mid 00's but couldn't get down with the ensuing trends. my roommates bf is like that, all the music he listens to sounds like arcade fire mixd with kind of triumphant lion king soundtrack epic group vocals on the chorus, they play twee songs to each other on guitars in the living room and bake their own bread. glad i made it out of that aesthetic intact
― flopson, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:42 (nine years ago) link
indies just wear some like brown pants, theyre not sure where even got them
― lag∞n, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:43 (nine years ago) link
If you guys are going to start dissing wearing brown clothes, I'm gonna be mad.
― emil.y, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:45 (nine years ago) link
class is a dumb way to talk about something so hairsplitting but plenty of poor hipsters on the grind, asking u for bumps, asking to get onto the guestlist. "indie" is more a college thing atp so it probably correlates more with fam income. also more of a white thing.
― flopson, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link
i have brown cords but i know *exactly* where i got them
hahaha I was waiting for you to reply to that. Quick work emil.y
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link
Non-hipster indies are the worst imo. Like the woman I met who named her dog Wilco.
― aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:46 (nine years ago) link
o god
― flopson, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:47 (nine years ago) link
the non-hipster indies western us version i'm thinking of are over 40, worked in a record store or were in a industrial / neo folk / post punk band in the 90s, love the stooges and nick cave, opposed to hippies and prob. can now just be described as "conservative, eccentric"
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:47 (nine years ago) link
Music and cultural "taste" is backed up with correct arguments and facts, not "digging".
― Banaka™ (banaka), Thursday, 16 August 2012 01:09 (2 years ago) Permalink
― example (crüt), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:48 (nine years ago) link
working-class parents, may or may not be kinda racist, etc. xp
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
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― flopson, Friday, January 30, 2015 3:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Is anyone else seeing this?
― Evan, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
"indie" is more a college thing atp so it probably correlates more with fam income.
Naw, most of the non-hipster indie types I know are 25-45 well-off post-collegiates. That may be reflective of my own age, iirc you're a bit younger?
― aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link
I find a lot of people ay they're into "80s indie " or "90s indie" they dont want anyone to think they like "pitchfork or nme music" (depending on whether they are US or UK based.Pretty sure the whole im into 80s indie was around in 1991 though.
Weirdly I see just as many people posting about being into 80s or 90s rap. That really is a thing ive seen watching the reverend arguing with those people on twitter.
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:50 (nine years ago) link
hm so much history how time moves along
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link
is emo still a thing with the teenagers?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
xp rev- i'm 23. i think we're in agreement though. by "a college thing" i meant something norms get into during college so well off post-collegiates fits that
matt i think we're talking about a different thing. or your example is just getting lil too specif and you're just describing one person you know irl lol. "may or may not be kinda racist" applies to all groups we are talking about evenly. hipsters def less racist than 10 years ago though, reading gawker/jez instead of vice
― flopson, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
I'm into 80s and 90s rap, especially 90s rap tbrrwu.
― aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:53 (nine years ago) link
im into music
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:55 (nine years ago) link
a few people but indicative of a type i think.
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:55 (nine years ago) link
maybe more "tru kvlt alt" then "indie"
― languagelessness (mattresslessness), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
90s are involved
alternative rock is back in 2015 baby...oh yahhhhh
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 January 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
OK word. I'm 28 and pretty much disconnected from the college crowd. I work with teenagers and DJ for and party with 21+ crowds on the reg, so I know what those sets like but college taste is p much a mystery to me at this point. Seems like they like middlebrow rappers and MGMT knockoffs a lot afaict.
― aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Friday, 30 January 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link
and they stream legend by bob marley rather than have it onmp3/cd/lp ?
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 30 January 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, January 30, 2015 3:50 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah I do this because in general indie rock stylistically started to shift away from my liking in about 96-97. Though I like plenty of newer artists too.
― Evan, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
whos an example of a 'middlebrow rapper'?
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link
Seems like they like middlebrow rappers and MGMT knockoffs a lot afaict.
― aybaybayfan (The Reverend), Friday, January 30, 2015 3:58 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is also what ppl liked 10-ish years ago when i graduated
― call all destroyer, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
― flopson, Friday, January 30, 2015 3:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAWdc9haQcA
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 January 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link
I started to turn on indie rock when postrock became a thing, but I began to antagonize indie rock and indie rock fans when Death Cab and Rilo Kiley and Sufjan and Oberst became the inescapable leaders. There's nothing I hate worse in music of any style than unchecked preciousness.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
all i remember music-trend-wise from college was a lot of kanye and a bit of vampire weekend
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
this was 6-9 years ago tho
― ciderpress, Friday, 30 January 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link
i know a handful of people who match each of the descriptions of "types" itt, but in general i'm not really into sorting living breathing human beings into genres and making sweeping ideological assumptions about people i don't know based on my anecdotal experiences. tho i've definitely done it before and still slip into it again occasionally. i guess this is part of the reason why i don't think i should be a pop music critic.
― example (crüt), Friday, 30 January 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
I loved post-rock and math-rock but it did end up becoming formulaic and with diminishing returns but what doesn't
― Eric Burdon & War, On Drugs (Cosmic Slop), Friday, 30 January 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link