Tidal

i knew it was a bad omen when they lined up a lot of the most recognizable stars in music for a press conference and somehow each and every one of them looked uncharacteristically terrible

soyrev OTM: "can't help but feel like jay-z hopped into this game more or less b/c apple's beats buyout saw dre leapfrogging him as world's most paid rapper"

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/04/22/jay-z-beyonce-album-tidal

Rap game Long Road Out of Eden.

the thing is that any EXCLUSIVE will not be exclusive for long; unless you have a considerable body of content, putting up a paywall doesn't keep your content in, it keeps your listeners out. Five albums won't save tidal; a year of exclusive genre wide content might but it's hard to view this as a "plan" so much as a series of increasingly desperate moves

Give Jay a two-hourly weekly Bob Dylan Radio Hour type show where there's interaction only with Tidal members. #ArmchairLefsetz

They should have announced some exclusive albums at the press conference - "a new Beyonce album" is way more plausible an incentive for 100k+ people to change streaming services than "FLAC"

Let alone "the opportunity to give jack white - or rather his label - a better royalty"

i confess i've never understood what a 'writeoff' is exactly, is it possible this is all one big 'writeoff'

A write off are expenses you net against income on taxes. You have to make income to write off a debt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upifaeK0B5U

^ yeah that not what croup said that doesn't sound right at all

lol @ "Storm"

I like Tidal. Decent editorial + the possibility of audio upgrade can't really be a bad thing. And paying for music makes sense to me. The roll out was a disaster though.

In terms of higher definition audio, i'd rather see more back catalogue sold in wav/aif/flac/alac etc. And if it's 16 bit 44.1 it shouldn't be a higher price than new cds either!

feel like they should have marketed quietly to the high-end audiophile wanker market first, let it build its luxe cachet naturally rather than presenting its high-end status as a fait accompli just by the presence of megastars. not that that'd make it a better deal but it might've fooled a few more people

i don't imagine this is a priority but i'm still waiting for a streaming service to include unofficial music like mixtapes, dj mixes and so on; i expect it might be a bit of a headache but surely not beyond the ken of these business geniuses

I'm gladly paying to NOT have to deal with organizing my music files daily. That stuff exhausts me. I definitely need the possibility to buy music too but most of the time I'm fine with not downloading a lot of random stuff.

Yeah, I've thought that too, Lex. First service to buy up datpiff and integrate it seamlessly wins this. It'll take some paperwork but it'll be worth it. My main issue with all of these is the huge amount of (mostly available) music missing.

maybe it's the name. does sound like a washing powder.

spotify is a pretty dumb name too tbf, ditto the majority of apps/sites that have taken off

Maybe some sort of open-source decentralised (and as uncorporate as possible) p2p thing where streaming is a cheap sub but you can pay extra for download/high-quality options and the only 'seeds' are actual verified artists and labels who get almost all of the customer cash. #ridicbusinessmodels

i don't imagine this is a priority but i'm still waiting for a streaming service to include unofficial music like mixtapes, dj mixes and so on; i expect it might be a bit of a headache but surely not beyond the ken of these business geniuses

― lex pretend,

Isnt this soundcloud?

Soundcloud iphone app has been horribly laggy for me recently

soundcloud doesn't pay artists at all IIRC

i don't imagine this is a priority but i'm still waiting for a streaming service to include unofficial music like mixtapes, dj mixes and so on; i expect it might be a bit of a headache but surely not beyond the ken of these business geniuses

― lex pretend, Thursday, April 23, 2015 7:52 AM (2 days ago)

Spotify does. And any artist can make a playlist mix if they want to. Avey Tare did one last year that was awesome.

Yeah Ministry of Sound got quite huffy because people were making their own playlists with tracklistings from MIS compilations.

Jay Z accuses rivals of ‘smear campaign’ against Tidal http://pagesix.com/2015/04/26/jay-z-accuses-rivals-of-smear-campaign-against-tidal/?_ga=1.254190283.250836245.1430091415

“The iTunes Store wasn’t built in a day,” he said. “It took Spotify nine years to be successful.”

Jay Z said that 770,000 subscribers have signed up, “Tidal is doing just fine. We have over 770,000 subs . We have been in business less than one month.”

He added, “We are here for the long haul. Please give us a chance to grow and get better.”

“We are human (even Daft Punk ha). We aren’t perfect – but we are determined.”

"We aren't perfect" feels like such a weird thing for Jay-Z to say.

that said if they really have over 770+k subs, with no free tier, in less than a month that ain't awful

They gave away a month for free for signing up. So...

Yeah, we'll see how many subscribers they have in another 30 days.

haha oh man i didn't know that, lol

god win butler in that pic that dc posted depresses me, dude must be going through his midlife crisis a decade early

They gave away a month for free for signing up. So...

plus, tidal existed before jay z bought it and relaunched it. would be interested to know how that breaks down between new subs and inherited subs.

at least 500,000 of those tidal subscribers were onboard before jay z arrived, per [

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/27/business/media/jay-z-counters-reports-of-struggles-at-tidal-music-streaming-service.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

"per new york times," that sentence was supposed to end.

missed that jay-z claimed there was a million-dolar smear campaign. are other people lol'ing at the press event getting checks?

every time you smear, or lol at, tidal on twitter, spotify sends you a check for .0000018 cents.

nice

but if you smear or lol at Spotify on Twitter, Tidal sends you a check for .0000036 cents!

ha!

and if you smear or lol at both Spotify and Tidal on Twitter, you get to go on tour in support of your tweet

Tidal marketing itself as an exclusive video platform makes way more sense than bullshit audiophile reasons

Jack: TIDAL is going to help a lot of artists out. I'm talking about the punk band that has 50k hits on Youtube and doesn't see a dime.

LOL Jack White trying to help all those unknown punk bands who want to earn a living from youtube videos.

http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality

Got 5 out of 6.

trick question, none of the neil young samples evidence any sort of quality at all

5/6, missed the Jay-Z one

I missed the Neil one.

I got 1