Itunes, Billboard, and the marginalization of black music and black audiences in America

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Toby Keith's "I Wanna Talk About Me" came out in 2001 and is pretty much a rap song

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Monday, 8 June 2015 16:53 (nine years ago) link

and McGraw worked with Nelly again in 2012.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 June 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link

(at that point I wasn't sure who was doing whom a favor)

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 June 2015 16:58 (nine years ago) link

to be clear, not saying country HASN'T acknowledged hip-hop until now, just that its getting kinda omnipresent rather than a novelty

but if we're playing the "who remembers a country song with a hip-hop element in it" game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtQJ9fqdV28

da croupier, Monday, 8 June 2015 17:01 (nine years ago) link

okay "We got a funky new tune with a fly banjo" made me lol

DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link

also what the hell: 1997: Spearhead feat. Joan Osbourne - "Wayfaring Stranger"

DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:40 (nine years ago) link

spoken-word country songs have been a thing since the dawn of country music

example (crüt), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link

My head spun when I saw the words "Imani Coppola"

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link

http://www.imanicoppola.com/

lol

DJP, Monday, 8 June 2015 21:46 (nine years ago) link

^^ defines "check out my fly banjo"

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:50 (nine years ago) link

was putting "i poop in a clam" on her website her own decision?

example (crüt), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link

that DJ Quik sounds more like a santur than a banjo

example (crüt), Monday, 8 June 2015 21:56 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

the top three songs in america -- and five of the top six -- are led by black men. if you count kendrick's verse on the "bad blood" remix then there is a black man on each of the top six songs on this week's chart

J0rdan S., Thursday, 9 July 2015 13:40 (nine years ago) link

he has two verses doesn't he? it's basically kendrick lamar feat. taylor swift

transparent play for gifs (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 July 2015 13:51 (nine years ago) link

http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100 1 through 6

curmudgeon, Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link

I think only two of those songs get airplay on urban stations, though?

Evan R, Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link

Oh, three I guess. I thought rap stations weren't playing that Wiz Khalifa song

Evan R, Thursday, 9 July 2015 14:36 (nine years ago) link

the wiz khalifa song is a pop-to-urban crossover radio-wise. it even went top 10 on the hot adult contemporary format before urban lol.

i stumbled across this article yesterday mentioning an emerging radio audience measurement device that would be competing w/ nielsen's ppm. ppm is the device that is mainly used now -- when it started getting put into use in the late 00s, ratings at many latin and urban stations were basically decimated immediately, which was obv controversial and delayed its rollout into many markets significantly. anyways i don't know much about the nitty-gritty of radio analytics so i have no idea how much is just hype/hot air, but the article makes it seem as tho the new competitor (voltair) may do a better job of measuring the audience for several stations that had been hurt by ppm in the past, at least well enough to convince some of the higher-ups at the stations. (the example they use is the smooth jazz format.)

idk here's the link http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/did-nielsen-kill-the-radio-star/

dyl, Friday, 10 July 2015 04:50 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Now 1 through 7. http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100

skip, Friday, 31 July 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link

It would be cool if this extended to black women at all.

Sidenote: does radio play the Kendrick version of "Bad Blood" or the original?

drown zoowap (The Reverend), Saturday, 1 August 2015 04:44 (nine years ago) link

I've heard the Kendrick version a lot on radio. I imagine it depends on the format.

Greer, Saturday, 1 August 2015 05:03 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I haven't heard it on the radio at all but I haven't listened to top 40 in quite a while.

drown zoowap (The Reverend), Saturday, 1 August 2015 05:07 (nine years ago) link

here the adult contemporary stations play the sans-kendrick version and all the other stations that play it play the one with kendrick

dyl, Saturday, 1 August 2015 06:21 (nine years ago) link

that was a bit of a shock.

Compare her streams (1.6 million) with Future at #2 (23 million)

let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:39 (nine years ago) link

She has a considerable fan base -- adult R&B is for Jill Scott fans.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:41 (nine years ago) link

sure, but zero currently charting singles!

let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 01:57 (nine years ago) link

Her audience doesn't care for singles though.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link

well clearly! it's just an interesting outlier.

let's not get too excited w/ the ouches (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 04:47 (nine years ago) link

for a min there it looked like fifth harmony might get into the top 10. alas...

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 5 August 2015 05:12 (nine years ago) link

Purse too heavy.

Norse Jung (Eric H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 05:29 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Fetty Wap The rapper's first three hits rank at Nos. 8, 9 & 11, equaling an honor previously earned only by the Fab Four.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6677761/hot-100-chart-moves-fetty-wap-beatles

curmudgeon, Friday, 28 August 2015 15:36 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The Weeknd retains the #1 spot on the Billboard Top 200 for a second week based entirely on streaming and "album equivalent units." He sold 77,000 CDs, while the metal band Five Finger Death Punch sold 114,000 CDs (which puts them at the top of the separate Top Album Sales chart, with The Weeknd at #2). But because of "album equivalent units," his total was adjusted to 145,000, while theirs only climbed to 119,000.

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Sunday, 13 September 2015 23:30 (nine years ago) link

Chart News ‏@chartnews 55s55 seconds ago
Billboard On-Demand Songs: #1(=) What Do You Mean?, @justinbieber [9.5 million on-demand US streams]. *2 weeks at #1*

what is an on demand stream

J0rdan S., Monday, 14 September 2015 19:16 (nine years ago) link

it just means Spotify, Tidal, etc. stuff where you pick the song you're listening to. i think they specify 'on demand' to differentiate from internet radio stuff like Pandora that picks songs for you.

some dude, Monday, 14 September 2015 19:31 (nine years ago) link

four weeks pass...

The entire top five on the Billboard 200 are R&B/hip-hop albums -- the first time the region has been dominated as such since the Jan. 13, 2007-dated chart. That week, Omarion’s 21 led the list, followed by Akon’s Konvicted, the Dreamgirls film soundtrack, Nas’ Hip Hop Is Dead and Young Jeezy’s The Inspiration.

The Reverend, Monday, 12 October 2015 08:31 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

2 interesting paragraphs from Chris Molanphy's contribution to the Slate critics roundtable on 2015 music

Back to R&B crossover: When we convened for the Music Club two years ago, I marveled that no black artists fronted a No. 1 hit in all of 2013—a historic Hot 100 first. In 2015, we appear to have already flipped that script: Except for a single week when the Hot 100 was commanded by the Biebs’ “What Do You Mean?” and for the past seven weeks by Adele’s “Hello,” every chart-topping hit this year was fronted or prominently supported by an artist of color: Mark Ronson and Bruno Mars’ “Uptown Funk” (a hit truly powered by Mars), Wiz Khalifa and Charlie Puth’s “See You Again,” Taylor Swift and Kendrick Lamar’s “Bad Blood” (without Lamar’s injection of B12 into the remix, the song might not have topped the chart), OMI’s “Cheerleader,” and the two big hits by the Weeknd, “Can’t Feel My Face” and “The Hills.”

The thing is, except for that latter Weeknd hit—the creepy “Hills,” not the MJ-esque “Can’t Feel My Face”—none of these songs was a chart-topper at black radio. Billboard’s R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay list—a radio-only chart that is now the only real way get a sense of what core R&B and hip-hop fans actually listen to—was topped all year by the likes of Big Sean and Rae Sremmurd and Jeremih and Meek Mill and Nicki Minaj (with the thumping “Truffle Butter,” not one of her pop-aimed tracks). None of these songs was a Top 10 pop hit; Jeremih’s “Planes” missed the pop Top 40 entirely. Whereas “Uptown Funk”—a 14-week Hot 100 chart-topper and a song so indebted to black-music history the Gap Band managed to shake it loose for some change—never came close to topping black radio playlists.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_music_club/features/2015/music_club_2015/in_2015_black_artists_took_back_the_hot_100_pop_charts.html

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 21:53 (eight years ago) link

interesting perspective as molanphy's writing often is. kinda getting mixed evidence on his point about how crossover as we knew it "no longer exists" for black artists tho? like, he points out two songs that charted highly on the hot 100 and one that stalled as evidence for this, but in reality this is because the former two DID cross over while the other's airplay remained limited overwhelmingly to urban radio. songs succeeded or failed at crossing over before 2015 as well obv, and it still does take "weeks or months" for songs to migrate from urban to pop radio. he rightly acknowledges that streaming gives many r&b and rap acts an early boost on the charts now that they wouldn't have a few years ago, but that's across the board for all urban-radio hits, which tend to be heavily streamed compared to, say, adult contemporary ones. it's not like soundscan's accurate measurement of piece-counts allowing "tha crossroads" and such to zoom up the charts before pop radio got on board in the mid-90s meant that crossover stopped existing then either.

(also, pedantry alert, but he links to "all around the world" by lisa stansfield as an example of something migrating from pop radio to r&b, but the charts from the time show that it was actually one of rare examples of songs by white artists crossing in the other direction, from r&b radio to pop.)

dyl, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 08:34 (eight years ago) link

this also overlooks the whiteness of singers working in r&b modes whose music gets played on pop radio. puth is the worst example, but there's also adele and meghan trainor...

maura, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 15:34 (eight years ago) link

four weeks pass...

The only contemporary rap/r&b radio station in Seattle just got demoted to a Tacoma signal so its existing Seattle signal can be turned over to top 40. :(

gaz "puffy" coombes (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 01:12 (eight years ago) link

ugh

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 01:13 (eight years ago) link

It's even branded as a Tacoma station now. A friend of mine('s brother) got the best take:

https://twitter.com/ram0s206/status/689592333965262848

gaz "puffy" coombes (The Reverend), Wednesday, 20 January 2016 01:23 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Totally off topic but I stumbled upon this in my travels and figured I'd share.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-ray-charles-19730118?page=9

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 4 February 2016 01:26 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...

So... Panda is the the first rap single by a black artist to top the Billboard Hot 100 without the help of hook sung by another artist since 2009's Crack A Bottle, right? (Not sure if Flo Rida's 2009 #1 counts.)

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 9 May 2016 11:18 (eight years ago) link

Billboard's take:

Desiigner's debut hit "Panda" pounces to No. 1 on the Billboard Hot 100 (dated May 7). The Bed-Stuy, Brooklyn, New York rapper halts the nine-week reign of Rihanna's "Work," featuring Drake, and brings an American act to No. 1 on the Hot 100 after a record 41-week streak of leaders by foreign artists.

Rihanna and Drake are just foreigners... USA USA

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 May 2016 13:17 (eight years ago) link

But Billboard also noted this:

Rap rules again: Desiigner also ends a 41-week streak between rap songs atop the Hot 100, between "See You Again" and "Panda." That's the longest run between No. 1 rap songs (defined as tracks that charted on Billboard's Hot Rap Songs ranking) in more than 14 years: no rap hits led the Hot 100 for 46 straight weeks between Shaggy's "Angel" (March 31, 2001) and Ja Rule's "Always on Time," featuring Ashanti (Feb. 23, 2002).

A rap rookie rules again: Desiigner is the first rapper to crown the Hot 100 with a debut chart entry since Iggy Azalea arrived with "Fancy" (featuring Charli XCX), which ruled for seven weeks beginning June 7, 2014. Before Azalea, duo Macklemore & Ryan Lewis bowed with their six-week No. 1 "Thrift Shop" (featuring Wanz), which reached No. 1 on Feb. 2, 2013.

The last male rapper (as a lead artist) to control the Hot 100 on his first try before Desiigner? Wiz Khalifa, with "Black and Yellow" (Feb. 19, 2011). (And, the very first? Vanilla Ice, whose "Ice Ice Baby" topped the Nov. 3, 1990, Hot 100.)

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7341870/desiigner-panda-billboard-hot-100-number-1

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 May 2016 13:19 (eight years ago) link

Yeah I guess Black & Yellow would be the real precursor - rap song by black artist with no hook assist. Wiz had (near-)peak Stargate going for him though. Thinking Mims would probably be the closer sibling.

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 9 May 2016 13:35 (eight years ago) link

i actually just wrote a thing for Billboard about hip hop acts whose first Hot 100 entry went to #1. unsurprisingly, a lot of white rappers!

http://www.billboard.com/photos/7357866/no-1-debut-rap-hits-on-the-hot-100

a goon shaped tool (some dude), Monday, 9 May 2016 13:57 (eight years ago) link


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