Thread of missing Gustavo
― The Clones of Baron Funkhausen by Proxy Syndrome (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 26 June 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link
tried to listen to this new This Year's Model in Spanish but it made me want to listen to Soda Stereo instead.
― No Particular Place to POLL (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 15 August 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
Hey timely revive: I only started checking out this band in the past month or so, and wow, Dynamo is excellent! The wikipedia page calls it the "hispanic Loveless", which doesn't seem to quite fit, but maybe the hispanic Achtung Baby? I mean, that would be a huge compliment in my book, anyway
I actually started with Bocanada because it seemed more my thing but I didn't really take to it apart from a track or two
― Vinnie, Sunday, 15 August 2021 22:44 (three years ago) link
Listening to Gustavo’s last solo album, “Fuerza Natural,” on a friend’s recommendation and it sounds pretty good.
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 August 2021 01:11 (three years ago) link
Same friend complains about Soda Stereo being too derivative, but I’ve never agreed with him on that.
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 August 2021 01:12 (three years ago) link
Then there’s also this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhyRuCfs5Js
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 August 2021 03:47 (three years ago) link
Well he never denied his anglophile tendencies. Here talking about Stereolab on Chilean television in 1996.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h70wnnmMBT4
― CarlosDP, Monday, 30 August 2021 17:23 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCdOGM-Ac-8
― CarlosDP, Monday, 30 August 2021 17:26 (three years ago) link
Thanks!
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 August 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
Me, I usually find his tracks pretty convincing and don't worry about whether they may sound like something else, and I especially like his voice.
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 30 August 2021 17:47 (three years ago) link
i asked my chilean partner who the kevin shields of latin america was and they said cerati. led me down a huge rabbithole. i definitely prefer his solo stuff but dynamo is my favorite SS album. it's like a long-lost shoegaze/dreampop classic.
bocanada is definitely my favorite, but all of his solo albums are worth listening to. the cerati/melero collab is also excellent
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Monday, 30 August 2021 17:50 (three years ago) link
also i swear there's a david sylvian sample on 'siempre es hoy'
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Monday, 30 August 2021 17:52 (three years ago) link
Haha, talking about the Latin American Kevin Shields, and at the risk of deraling the thread... in the mid-nineties Cerati lived here in Chile and certainly had an influence on the sound of a certain shoegazy indie from that era.
Shogun and Christianes, both Christian Heyne's bands. Later he produced Javiera Mena first albums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxjfEl5mRBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ARVj3wdv4
― CarlosDP, Monday, 30 August 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link
Solar had a hit in 97 in Chile ripping off "Soon".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3poBW_8p08
― CarlosDP, Monday, 30 August 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link
awesome! i'd love to learn about more experimental latin american artists. new thread maybe?
― diamonddave85 (diamonddave85), Monday, 30 August 2021 19:12 (three years ago) link
Thanks :-) . I think here we have the all purpose latin experimental, indie, hipster shit thread.
latin american hipster shit
― CarlosDP, Monday, 30 August 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
Gracias totales.
― The Dark End of the Tweet (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 December 2022 13:18 (one year ago) link
Nada más queda
― Gene Markey’s Goin’ Off (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 9 March 2023 14:10 (one year ago) link
I've listened through all their albums since my post upthread, ending with the debut just a couple weeks ago. I can see why they may be called derivative, but it's much more apt to say they are great at taking different styles and putting their own spin on it. Cerati's unique songwriting and singing voice always comes through
― Vinnie, Friday, 10 March 2023 00:07 (one year ago) link
otm
― Gene Markey’s Goin’ Off (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 March 2023 00:09 (one year ago) link
I was just alerted to this song, Richard Coleman’s “Normal,” which is apparently pretty well-known because of Gustavo’s shredding that starts around the three minute and never lets up.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVI0vh1Rc84
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 10 March 2023 20:04 (one year ago) link
https://lamejormagazine.com/2022/08/30/zeta-bosio-revela-la-obsesion-de-cerati-en-soda-stereo%EF%BF%BC/
Y hablando de hits, Zeta Bosio confiesa la esencia de los hits de Soda Stéreo compuestos por Gustavo Cerati.«Las letras las escribía más Gustavo, eran un viaje más personal. Al principio, sobre todo, le costaba mucho y esperaba hasta el último momento. Teníamos el disco casi terminado y las letras llegaban el último día más o menos.«Algo que descubrió Gustavo, sobre todo al comienzo era: él tenía una obsesión por tratar de que las letras en español no sonaran tan distintas al inglés; o sea ¿por qué el inglés era tan rítmico para el rock?, porque ellos lo habían creado de una manera, pero el idioma está lleno de palabras cortas que expresan mucho en un monosílabo.«Entonces, él encontró en las esdrújulas del castellano repartirlas en tres sílabas y empezar a hacer con eso melodías, y así vinieron ‘Prófugos…’ y un montón de letras de Gustavo que están hechas de esa manera».
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:02 (one year ago) link
Ricardo Villalobos playing a speeded up version of Nuestra Fe by Soda Stereo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcG8pVLN2Wc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5paepjECJBQ
― CarlosDP, Saturday, 11 March 2023 01:05 (one year ago) link
Re the comments above from Zeta about Gustavo’s lyrical approach: my friend who first cited that to me also told me that pre-Gustavo many of most Argentine Rock en Español artist would write scratch demo lyrics in some kind of English gibberish and then eventually retrofit the Spanish lyrics, providing this Charley Garcia demo as proof:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxr5c7Pd0d0
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 03:06 (one year ago) link
Charly García
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 03:10 (one year ago) link
Still trying to figure out how Richard Coleman fits in. Seems like he was collaborating with Gustavo for a long time and has played in Soda Stereo (with the remaining members? On the recent Gracias Totales tour?)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRCHltKDXo0
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:15 (one year ago) link
Here is the original “Gracias totales” moment, his Ziggy Stardust breakup of the band. It’s kind of moving to watch.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX-us7PEfkc
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:24 (one year ago) link
Feed just gave me a video of Gustavo and Shakira singing “Cuidad de La furia.”Gustavo’s solo is pretty terrific.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylndY8Ufx-k
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:38 (one year ago) link
Hadn’t known that Shakira had been a big fan and they ended up collaborating quite a few times.
This is the video I originally came across, which seems to have better sound and picture quality but is missing the intro and some other stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Niv8YWnI41k
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:41 (one year ago) link
I don't/didn´t know if writing scratch demo lyrics in English was a generalized modus operandi in the "rock en español". In south america at least, the break in the use of english, and the beginning of rock in español was between the first generation of post-beatles bands that wrote in english such as Los Shakers, Los Mockers in Uruguay, Los Macs, Vidrios Quebrados in Chile, and groups and artists in Argentina like Los Gatos and Tanguito who started singing in spanish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSHgkQ2Wp5Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPdooS2A0-Y
There were also attempts in the 1970s and 1980s to record in English to enter this market, without success (Spinetta's Only Love Can Sustain perhaps the most notorious example). Soda Stereo even recorded a couple of songs in English. In this case, comparing with the originals I don't think it sounds good, something is lost in the translation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2c9yLAFM8Q
― CarlosDP, Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:43 (one year ago) link
I think Richard Coleman played in one of the first incarnations of Soda Stereo, then he formed his own band Friction, and stayed friends with Gustavo.
― CarlosDP, Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:48 (one year ago) link
Now last he was on tour with the remaining members of Soda Stereo, on a tribute tour to Gustavo.
― CarlosDP, Saturday, 11 March 2023 14:50 (one year ago) link
Thanks for posting.I just received this as some sort of Exhibit B.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLr_I_4tx1I
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 15:03 (one year ago) link
Ha! Capussoto is great. Here that time when the rockist audience in Capussoto´s show tried to kill Daniel Melero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrfjcNdnFhc
― CarlosDP, Saturday, 11 March 2023 15:18 (one year ago) link
OMG!
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 15:35 (one year ago) link
Another Gustavo Shakira live clip with some great shredding at the end. Bonus points for amusingly enthusiastic German voiceover translation of Shakira's introduction.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnGtJ9DJgqg
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 15:44 (one year ago) link
Anyway, the point was not that there was no Rock en Español prior to Soda, more that Gustavo found a way to make the Rock and Español fit together more organically. "De música ligera" was viewed as some kind of defining moment, iirc, a gigantic hit across all of Latin America, although I wasn't there, I was a continent away.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 15:48 (one year ago) link
Big in Spain too, apparently. WIki page is interesting although maybe autotranslated from the Spanish?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_M%C3%BAsica_Ligera
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link
Maybe some it was was translated but the aritcles have diverged about. Spanish version worth reading as well, of course: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_m%C3%BAsica_ligera
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 15:53 (one year ago) link
Wow, somebody posted pretty much the whole show from when I saw them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em1Tr8qND1c
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 15:55 (one year ago) link
My seat was not as good though :)
Here is an NYT review of the show by Peter Watrous.https://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/06/arts/pop-review-mismatched-latin-bands-still-sell-out.html I had no recollection of Aterciopelados being the opening act. I do remember seeing them a few years later at Central Park Summerstage, although I had mainly gone to see Otto, who Other Music was pushing at the time.https://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/23/movies/pop-and-jazz-guide-725919.htmlCome to think of it, the last (the other) big South American concert I saw in NYC was Marisa Monte at the Beacon Theater a few years back.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 16:03 (one year ago) link
Mostly what I remember seeing at that Palladium show was the lasers on the celing, which I was much closer to where I was in the nosebleed seating.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link
Probably wasn't lasers, just regular lights.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 16:23 (one year ago) link
I guess they went to Miami about a week later to record the MTV part of Comfort y Música Para Volar, with Andrea of Aterciopelados sitting in, or at least singing backing vox on “En la cuidad de la furia.”
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 16:32 (one year ago) link
Thats funny, I saw them a month early in La Serena, north of Chile. It was a night concert on the beach. Fittingly, when I was younger Soda Stereo was the sound of summer, since it was the type of music that was heard on the beaches and in arcades.
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/soda-stereo/1996/open-beach-la-serena-chile-73d97e59.html
The second time I saw them was the farewell concert in Santiago in 1997.
I think that the general vision about Cerati here is not so much that rock in spanish "clicked" with him (as the are lots of classic albums in spanish before him), but yeah he is one of the best, if not the best making melodies in spanish. But perhaps with english ears the perspective changes.
― CarlosDP, Saturday, 11 March 2023 17:19 (one year ago) link
Fair enough. I don’t know enough about the preceding acts, trying to pull some names out of a hat now, Almendra, maybe? Curious what some of those classic albums you mention are.That set list is pretty much the same as the show I saw.
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 17:34 (one year ago) link
You could post on the companion thread linked at the top, although that is Argentina only. In fact, someone over there is complaining about the exact same thing I have a problem with: too much reliance on The Rolling Stones, in particular Mick. It barely works for him in the first place. Argentine rock, from the past and present?
― Think Fast, Mr. Mojo Risin’ (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 11 March 2023 17:45 (one year ago) link
Pre Soda, from Argentina, among the classics, that is, the equivalents to Bob Dylan, Springsteen, etc., we have Los Gatos, Pappo, Charly García and Spinetta and their respective bands, for example:
Seremos Amigos - Los Gatos (1968)Almendra - Almendra (1969)Pappo´s Blues 2 - Pappo´s Blues (1972)Artaud - Paescado Rabioso (1973)Wadu-Wadu - Virus (1981)Clics Modernos - Charly García (1983)
Then see Manal, Vox Dei, Litto Nebbia, etc. but any Top 100 Argentine rock list will work. The Mick & Stones stuff is mainly 90s (see Ratones Paranoicos and Los Piojos, or don't). The 60s, 70s and early 80s stuff is mostly a mix of Beatles, tango, jazz rock, Cream, Prince, New wave and local flavor.
From Chile, we have fewer examples in terms of quantity, since with Allende, and then during the dictatorship, the cultural movement went in another direction (see "Nueva canción chilena"), more politicized, less rock, but I can suggest some records from the 70s and early 80's:
El derecho de vivir en paz - Victor Jara (1971)Embrujo - Embrujo (1971, it's not on spotify but you can find it on youtube)La Ventana - Los Jaivas (1973)Alturas de Machu Pichu - Los Jaivas (1981)
― CarlosDP, Saturday, 11 March 2023 18:37 (one year ago) link
^“Lo que sangra (La cúpula)” from the reunion tour with some special guests.
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 June 2023 16:58 (one year ago) link
I think this is supposed to put the kids to sleep.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGyfr_NaEqs
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 24 June 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link
Lol that doesn’t sound very pleasant to sleep to.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 24 June 2023 19:51 (one year ago) link
Guess they figured they had to give Dan Zanes a run for his money.
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 June 2023 00:40 (one year ago) link
Never listened to or even knew about this early live album Ruido Blanco before today.
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 June 2023 14:34 (one year ago) link
Then found another live recording from early on, this one simply called En Vivo, which has a lot of noise. Seems to be the soundtrack of a performance, the first night in Viña Del Mar in 1987.
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 June 2023 15:34 (one year ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZsMmket4e0
Guess they were promoting Signos, which was released the previous November and then had the three singles coming out throughout the year.Crowd noise on this sounds like some Beatles stuff#onethread
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 June 2023 15:52 (one year ago) link
Crowd doesn’t quite know “Persiana Americana” yet. There is some screaming when he starts singing but that’s it.
― Johnny Bit Rot (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 June 2023 15:54 (one year ago) link
Somos cómplices los dos
― Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 June 2023 23:10 (one year ago) link
My music listening in general lately has been slow, but I did finally hear Amor Amarillo (hooray for titles even I can understand). "Lisa" and "Te llevo para que me lleves" are good, the latter a cool take on Isn't Anything MBV, but thought the rest was pretty sluggish. I will give Bocanada another listen eventually but so far I much prefer Soda to Cerati solo
― Vinnie, Saturday, 1 July 2023 19:20 (one year ago) link
Think the production is less dense on his solo stuff but his singing, songwriting and guitar playing is still strong.
― Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 1 July 2023 20:57 (one year ago) link
That could be it. I think I tend to like fuller productions in general
― Vinnie, Saturday, 1 July 2023 22:55 (one year ago) link
Too much time on this thread:Just a few hours ago I overheard someone saying “Gracias” and my mind automatically added “Totales!”
― Looking For Mr. Goodreads (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 2 July 2023 18:40 (one year ago) link
Soda getting a Latin Grammy Lifetime Achievement award. https://www.grammy.com/news/latin-recording-academy-announces-2023-special-merit-award-honorees
― Live and Left Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 19 July 2023 16:56 (one year ago) link
Just read more about when he did that Police tribute song. Pretty interesting.
― Poor Little Fool Killer (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 July 2023 14:08 (one year ago) link
Heh, can you guess who were the Top Two artists in my Spotify 2023 Wrapped?
― Shifty Henry’s Swing Club (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 November 2023 17:16 (nine months ago) link
Had to step away for a bit but now I’m back
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 29 February 2024 18:15 (six months ago) link
good timing, I just dug out Canción Animal for the first time in a while. for some reason I have a hard time remembering its tracks (apart from "De Música Ligera"), so I forget how good it is
― Vinnie, Thursday, 29 February 2024 23:54 (six months ago) link
Ha exactly! That album is full of great tracks, many of them also live staples. Often I forget “De Música Ligera” is even on there.
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 March 2024 00:43 (six months ago) link
Also many of these tracks not so uptempo so kind of heavier but still really cool.
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 March 2024 00:44 (six months ago) link
Yeah they play with time signature, mood, tempo to create a pretty diverse set of songs. Though they throw "Cae el Sol" at the end so you get an anthemic chorus
Also wtf... 9 of the 10 songs were released as singles??
― Vinnie, Friday, 1 March 2024 11:54 (six months ago) link
Forgot about that.
― The Ginger Bakersfield Sound (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 March 2024 13:18 (six months ago) link
What an amazing album Bocanada is.
― Tim F, Friday, 3 May 2024 02:09 (four months ago) link
OTM. Kind of amazing how his solo career was a match for his band years and how many there are who prefer the solo stuff.
― Billion Year Polyphonic Spree (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 May 2024 02:31 (four months ago) link
Top 10 latinamerican albums of all time and Cerati probably a top 3 latinamerican artist.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 3 May 2024 02:38 (four months ago) link