https://soundcloud.com/mary-abc/cardiacs-dinner-time
― MaresNest, Thursday, 15 October 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
idgi- is this different from the version on The Seaside?
― everything, Thursday, 15 October 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
Nah, but it was left off the CD reissue as you know so someone stuck it up for anyone who didn't get a recording of the full cassette version and missed it, I guess.
― MaresNest, Thursday, 15 October 2015 19:17 (eight years ago) link
ah. I didn't really realise the CD has less tracks. I have the (reissued) cassette which I used to play a lot but now don't think about that album very much.
― everything, Thursday, 15 October 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
Sound quality is good though! Better than the cassette.
― everything, Thursday, 15 October 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
someone stuck it up for anyone who didn't get a recording of the full cassette version and missed it, I guess
That someone being the same person(s) responsible for the official online shop, apparently.
Nurses next, please?
― chihuahuau, Thursday, 15 October 2015 20:43 (eight years ago) link
It's been put up because they're reissuing a brand new master of The Seaside with the missing tracks reinstated. CD, vinyl and some kind of box set thing with replica YOUsletters and such-like.
The fact that this is the first Cardiacs stuff to ever be properly remastered is quite a big deal, really. I hope this leads to them eventually redoing all the horrible CD mastering that plagued the 90s reissues.
― Pheeel, Friday, 16 October 2015 20:44 (eight years ago) link
a well-mixed version of Heaven Born & Ever Bright would be amazing
― frogbs, Friday, 16 October 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
Even though the Soundcloud version sounded good, there was still dropouts and image shifts, wonder if they're going to sort that out
― MaresNest, Friday, 16 October 2015 21:07 (eight years ago) link
Isn't HBAEB the only CD that was redone when Alphabet reissued it in '95? It's certainly a brash mix but the original CD isn't overly loud at all.
I guessed something was happening with The Seaside, it's been out of the shop for a while. Sounds good, from a cassette source I guess.
― Noel Emits, Friday, 16 October 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link
neither version sound very good to me - lots and lots of midrange/treble
― frogbs, Friday, 16 October 2015 21:29 (eight years ago) link
cut from the original 1984 1/4″ master reel
http://www.caughtinthecrossfire.com/music/a-visit-to-the-seaside-again-with-cardiacs/
― Noel Emits, Friday, 16 October 2015 21:43 (eight years ago) link
lots and lots of midrange/treble
so Cardiacs then
I love this about their records, especially from the 90s onward. It's like they were specifically going for a hyper compressed sound, as if someone had discovered the world's most intense band but only had a small transistor radio to convey them to the rest of the world. It also reminds of me of the rehearsal videos they uploaded years back, shot through fish-eye lenses, showing the band in very cramped, uncomfortable quarters. Something about that says a lot about Cardiacs to me.
― Dominique, Friday, 16 October 2015 21:48 (eight years ago) link
of course - the implication is of another, deeper layer half-hidden amidst the fury - by packing everything so densely they make it feel like there must be even more to it all - it has the sonic quality of great literature and is consequently of endless replay value
so excited for the Seaside reissue - it's an incredible record, imo better than the 'debut proper' and now no doubt to collect its rightful dues
anyone else coming to see WD Drake tomorrow?
― twunty fifteen (imago), Friday, 16 October 2015 22:26 (eight years ago) link
HBAEB is a fucking astonishing record imo fwiw and the overcompression is not only not a problem for me but it gives the album an amazing coiled feeling that excites me like little else. a remaster could be cool tho
― twunty fifteen (imago), Friday, 16 October 2015 22:28 (eight years ago) link
oh MAN the original the seaside being reissued? might be my favourite of theirs sometimes. it's certainly their poppiest and every track is a classic pretty much, almost feels like a greatest hits.
just spent 10 minutes trying to find more about it and keep getting facebook links that i can't see through without an account. anyone can do a copy and paste of what the alphabet people are saying about it?
― linee, Friday, 16 October 2015 22:40 (eight years ago) link
All the earlier albums were remastered (read: made about 6 dB louder) for the 95 reissues.
So am I the only who hates the hypercompression of StG and Guns with a passion?
― chihuahuau, Friday, 16 October 2015 23:00 (eight years ago) link
I'm not keen on the midrange bias on Tim's mixes from HB&EB onwards. but I guess it's how he heard the band, Sea Nymphs and his solo record certainly aren't as pushed.
I'd like to hear a more evenly mixed version of HB&EB, it has my two favourite tracks on it, March and Helen & Heaven, t'aint gonna happen though.
― MaresNest, Friday, 16 October 2015 23:44 (eight years ago) link
― chihuahuau, Saturday, 17 October 2015 00:00 (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't mind over-compression when it's used for effect, but the clipping on certain tracks really bugs me. It's not something I used to notice, but now I can't not hear it. There's really noticeable distortion on the louder parts of STG that makes me question Tim's judgement(or at least his hearing).
― Pheeel, Saturday, 17 October 2015 09:11 (eight years ago) link
get stevey wilson on the case, make it all smooth and biteless ;)
― twunty fifteen (imago), Saturday, 17 October 2015 09:16 (eight years ago) link
Someone involved with the vinyl issues of STG and Guns said that's pretty much how the mixdown sounds, there's little if any additional compression on the masters. They were recorded on analogue 2" apparently, so it won't be digital clipping unless something went wrong somewhere.
― Noel Emits, Saturday, 17 October 2015 10:14 (eight years ago) link
That's not clipping, it's the sound of your brain shorting out
― twunty fifteen (imago), Saturday, 17 October 2015 10:44 (eight years ago) link
which remasters are you referring to here? all the ones I've gotten sound great
I hadn't noticed clipping on StG or Guns - kind of afraid to relisten now. what I'm referring to on HB&EB is the noisier bits where the bass becomes inaudible and the quick double-bass drumming sounds like someone flicking you in the ear
― frogbs, Saturday, 17 October 2015 12:44 (eight years ago) link
― Noel Emits, Saturday, October 17, 2015 11:14 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
IOW, the source tapes are already compressed and a better sounding version of those two is impossible? Is there a link for that?
I reckoned the hypercompression was deliberate but done at the mastering stage (like the 1995 reissues which were all louder than the originals, though not excessively so). At least this means there's hope for this Seaside edition to sound like the original CD.
― chihuahuau, Saturday, 17 October 2015 17:42 (eight years ago) link
Seaside reissue available, there's a vinyl special edition with lot's of ephemera but no extra music (unless you count the 4 missing tracks from the orig CD)
http://abc-mary.myshopify.com/products/the-seaside-original-edition-double-lp-pre-order
XP - STG & Guns may have been recorded on analog 2" but there's plenty of potential for digital clipping if they were mastered onto DAT instead of analog tape, plus all sorts of horrible mastering devices were used in the mid/late nineties to get the max impact out of every squeak of level on a recording, at one point it seemed like everybody (ab)used this piece of shit box:
http://www.tcelectronic.com/finalizer-96k/
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 09:04 (eight years ago) link
there's plenty of potential for digital clipping if they were mastered onto DAT
Yeah, for sure. Maybe the convertors were driven hard on a DAT, but I don't hear actual digital clipping, not over the mix anyway. Tbh my first impression of Sing To God was that it had to have been put together on ProTools or something. There are some excessive frequencies but I wonder if one of those super nice mastering EQs couldn't go some way to taming that; not to mess with how it was intended but just so it could be played louder! Maybe if it was even better it just wouldn't be fair to other music.
― Noel Emits, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 11:04 (eight years ago) link
Seaside reissue available,
Good lord, look at that box-set. I'll be fine with CD but it's 'citing.
What's this about there being different versions of some songs on the '95 Seaside? I had the 1990 CD.
― Noel Emits, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 11:19 (eight years ago) link
got mine
now I need a vinyl player
― twunty fifteen (imago), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 11:42 (eight years ago) link
'vinyl player'
― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 11:59 (eight years ago) link
o hey you into Cardiacs now then
― twunty fifteen (imago), Tuesday, 20 October 2015 12:07 (eight years ago) link
$60 shipped to the U.S. (2LP), don't suppose they'll have a distributor for this to bring the price down a bit? Beyond my budget (as is most of their catalog).
― by the light of the burning Citroën, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 13:01 (eight years ago) link
Wayside Music seem to carry all the other stuff so I expect they will have these.
http://www.waysidemusic.com/
― Noel Emits, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 13:19 (eight years ago) link
Hmmm...but the vinyl is expensive...$45 for Guns, $90 for Sing To God.
― everything, Tuesday, 20 October 2015 23:22 (eight years ago) link
Class
https://youtu.be/nDYviME6Qi0
― Noel Emits, Sunday, 7 August 2016 21:55 (eight years ago) link
omg
― imago, Sunday, 7 August 2016 22:01 (eight years ago) link
Holy shit, it looks like the second Sea Nymphs album is actually on the way now, after years of vague promises and mutterings of "It'll be out next year...maybe..."
I mean I won't really believe it until I see an official announcement, but the omens are pretty good. Namely that one of the ABC's associates has just dropped a couple of cryptic images of underwater fauna Facebook, and there's also the fact that Wayside Music have it listed as forthcoming in one of their mailouts.
― Pheeel, Monday, 8 August 2016 19:16 (eight years ago) link
http://www.cardiacs.net/news/
aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
― imago, Saturday, 20 August 2016 11:25 (eight years ago) link
Today is a good day.
― ultros ultros-ghali, Saturday, 20 August 2016 14:03 (eight years ago) link
Does anybody know what it actually is yet?
These kinds of rollouts always make me crabby.
― MaresNest, Sunday, 21 August 2016 20:17 (eight years ago) link
Sea Nymphs 2: The Nymphening
― imago, Sunday, 21 August 2016 21:42 (eight years ago) link
might even have Dream Dress on it :o
officially: The Sea Nymphs - On Dry Land
― Dominique, Monday, 22 August 2016 17:48 (eight years ago) link
obviously I'm anticipating this, but do we know why it's gone unreleased for so long? often albums like this tend to be underwhelming.
― frogbs, Monday, 22 August 2016 17:51 (eight years ago) link
maybe it's been unreleased coz the guy sitting on it had a massive stroke 8 years ago. he's been known to sit on gold before. extra special oceanlandworld was released long after its recording. this is just a bit longer. coz, you know.
anyway, when (if) LSD drops, we'll all throw a year-long internet party, agreed
― imago, Monday, 22 August 2016 18:14 (eight years ago) link
I think it was just that by the time there was interest in a second Sea Nymphs album(98-99, around the time of the Peel Session), Tim was all "not arsed, mate" because he didn't want to go back to material from five/six years ago, even though there were enough songs in the can for another couple of records.
All the unreleased stuff that's done the rounds in the last decade or so has been shockingly good, so I have absolutely no worries about the quality of this new album.
― Pheeel, Monday, 22 August 2016 20:38 (eight years ago) link
and who knows, maybe william's put trap beats on it
― imago, Monday, 22 August 2016 20:47 (eight years ago) link
yeah. it'll probably be great. just trying to temper my expectations a bit.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 15:22 (eight years ago) link
Listening to new Sea Nymphs now, and guys, this is really beautiful. Sounds *exactly* like a proper follow up to the s/t, and if anything, is more gentle, angelic sounding.
― Dominique, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:30 (seven years ago) link
I didn't order long enough in advance, so the wait will go on ;_;
― imago, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:31 (seven years ago) link
Mine didn't get here today either so I'm listening to the 2nd Stars in Battledress album, which I neglected when it came out for some reason. Scratches a similar itch anyway.
― ultros ultros-ghali, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:18 (seven years ago) link