unless all the mentions are disses
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:14 (eight years ago) link
Of PC Music, the London collective whose uncanny valley take on the top 40 of their childhoods provides a contextual touchstone for Art Angels, she says, “It’s really fucked up to call yourself Sophie and pretend you’re a girl when you’re a male producer (and) there are so few female producers,” she begins, before trailing off again. “I think it’s really good music. I probably shouldn’t have said that…”
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:16 (eight years ago) link
So diss + backpedalling.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:17 (eight years ago) link
Justified negative comment + backpedalling really.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:18 (eight years ago) link
yeah but 'it's really good music' + realisation that this isn't the trendy opinion any more ;)
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:26 (eight years ago) link
I think it was more that she realised this would immediately be blown up out of all proportion and tried to offset that.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:28 (eight years ago) link
sigh
― welltris (crüt), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:29 (eight years ago) link
Either way this is clearly a case of shared source material rather than Grimes hearing PC Music and going "OMG must make something like that". Otherwise you're well into Doglatin-comparing-Miguel-to-Animal-Collective territory.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:30 (eight years ago) link
oh you're right, 'probably shouldn't have said that' refers to the SOPHIE thing not the liking the music
but that's weird though, it was a perfectly reasonable thing to say
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:30 (eight years ago) link
oh and I'm not disputing the shared source material thing! for me it was simple redolence, no imputation of lineage
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:31 (eight years ago) link
Yeah it's cool, I know your post wasn't making that claim.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:32 (eight years ago) link
changing the subject slightly, the standout imo is World Princess part II - awesome track (and, to reignite the subject, easily as good as anything PC Music have put out)
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:35 (eight years ago) link
Doglatin-comparing-Miguel-to-Animal-Collective
did this really happen?
― ogmor, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:38 (eight years ago) link
haha I was about to ask
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:44 (eight years ago) link
yeah, like, my intention was less "let's draw attention to this quote!" and more "gee, I wonder if possibly 'well-known producer probably hasn't known of equally well-known producers' isn't an example of the condescension Grimes talks about"
― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:46 (eight years ago) link
HEARD of. either way, I mean
it was more 'PC Music are probably still quite obscure around the world' but sure
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 13:47 (eight years ago) link
My mom right now RE 'Kill v. Maim':"That sounds like that Indian music they play at the Indian restaurant. **does high pitched mimicking** I thought you liked that nice music, not stuff like this."
Btw "nice music" = multiple versions of 'Dark Star' I've been studying the past few days.
― Austin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
I think your mom might be racist.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:35 (eight years ago) link
Oh, there are no doubts about it if you ask me.
― Austin, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 15:38 (eight years ago) link
Having said that WPpII is the standout, I cant get the Kill v. Maim vocals out of my head. Amazing vocal design. Most songs where the vocal style is the hook feel in some way cheap or annoying but not this
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Wednesday, 11 November 2015 16:25 (eight years ago) link
Tried this out on the family on the way home from the zoo today. mrs. life liked it quite a lot but the kids were miserable, complaining of headaches.
― how's life, Wednesday, 11 November 2015 22:34 (eight years ago) link
this album is good. I don't like it as much as the last one. But it is still good.
― akm, Thursday, 12 November 2015 00:22 (eight years ago) link
Talking about Grimes is like dancing about architecture.
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 12 November 2015 04:55 (eight years ago) link
Trying to out-cliché the rest of the thread?
― MatthewK, Thursday, 12 November 2015 06:49 (eight years ago) link
grimes is like madonna
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Thursday, 12 November 2015 06:53 (eight years ago) link
ON ACID
and with a lisp.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 12 November 2015 07:14 (eight years ago) link
xpost
*wink*wink*THUD*THUD*
― Cousin Slappy, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:04 (eight years ago) link
YOU DID US ALL, COUSIN SLAPPY!
― avant-garde, sissy bounce, zombie rave, aquacrunk, warlock, oceangrunge, (imago), Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link
Title track reminds me of Is there a name for that genre of turn-of-the-90s pop-rock with the positive vibes, huge guitar leads, and gated drums?.
― jaymc, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link
I have listened to this album a few more times and like it more (indeed there are many hooks !) but although I find it fun, skillful and effective, there's still nothing as charming and touching as her previous stuff for me.That said, my favourite song by her is "Vanessa" and I haven't really loved anything from her since Visions so I guess she's just going in a different direction, which is perfectly fine.
basically I agree with this post :
since my initial bleh reaction (apart from a few songs) i've been listening to it a few times a day and more of it is clicking. i can't help but think that i'll always prefer Visions, though, if only because Visions sounds like an album that only she could have made. it's tough for me to get as excited about art angels because it feels like her contribution to a universe that's already populated with other people's songs that use a similar sonic vocabulary.― Karl Malone, mardi 10 novembre 2015 23:37 (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Karl Malone, mardi 10 novembre 2015 23:37 (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
funny thing : my favourite thing from Artangel so far is the little instrumental bit at the beginning of "Butterfly" !
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:18 (eight years ago) link
the one bit she didn't make herself
― ogmor, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
yes I know !That said, I'm exaggerating. there are plenty of other cool moments on the album.
― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link
― jaymc, Thursday, November 12, 2015 11:07 AM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah, these are exactly the kind of reference points I was looking for -- where *rock* guitar is used in that very pop-specific sort of way, often sounding very compressed and lighter in the mix than it would be in a rock record
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:47 (eight years ago) link
love this album but i feel like opening the album with california and scream is a misstep.. always skip the first three songs when i listen
― George W. Lucas (diamonddave85), Thursday, 12 November 2015 16:51 (eight years ago) link
fwiw, flesh isn't about the mediawithout getting into specifics, it's about other musicians― james brooks, Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:25 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
without getting into specifics, it's about other musicians
― james brooks, Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:25 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
so it has to be about Blood Diamonds then? did they have a falling out? or maybe just other musicians giving her grief over "Go" and attributing that Blood Diamonds?
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
btw not asking anyone who actually knows to go into specifics. just wondering if this is common knowledge.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
fwiw she's playing "phone sex" and "go" at every show on her current tour
― flappy bird, Thursday, 12 November 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
going to see her on wednesday!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:00 (eight years ago) link
is james brooks grimes?
― dynamicinterface, Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
no, he's james brooks
― μpright mammal (mh), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:12 (eight years ago) link
she brought out blood diamonds on one of her shows recently, def not him. is it that interesting though?
― Leonard Pine, Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
it is interesting if you're wondering if there'll be more collaborations
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:20 (eight years ago) link
between those two artists specifically. not in general. there will always be more collaborations.
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:21 (eight years ago) link
There was that quite public exchange of words with Ariel Pink, I hope it's about him if it means they'll never collaborate because he sucks
― Leonard Pine, Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:25 (eight years ago) link
otm
― the grimes of claire boucher ('90s on) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:26 (eight years ago) link
Win Butler reviewed it, so the matter is settled:
Pop traditionally tries to recreate the world the listener already lives in, just with bigger cartoon eyes and soft corners on the tables. If you’re the victim, you’re always righteous; if you’re the aggressor, you’re always just. Weirdo music (I use the term broadly) creates its own esoteric world – makes up its own constants to plug into the physics equations that determine whether life ever evolves on the planet.
In Art Angels, Grimes is coming, to a large extent, from the world of 2000s pop, but she creates a giant, esoteric, viable world teeming with all sorts of poisonous Jurassic life.
My problem — my personal problem — is that I grew up prejudiced against 2000s pop, and that the atmosphere of the Jurassic period has the wrong ratio of elements for my organism. I’m more Cretaceous.
I appreciate and admire Art Angels. That sounds lame — no, it’s like how Orthodox Jews and devout Mormons get along. “I respect your devotion, and you probably understand me better than, say, anyone else on this F train — but I really, really don’t care that much about your Jesus. High fives on father Abraham, though.”
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
flesh without blood is about pc music
― George W. Lucas (diamonddave85), Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
win butler sounds like an asshole tbqf
― marcos, Thursday, 12 November 2015 19:44 (eight years ago) link