fuck you dude! how about showing you respect that opinion instead of paying lip service to it and doing what you want anyway.
― bicyclescope (mattresslessness), Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:38 (eight years ago) link
him, i respect. you, i don't.
― ulysses, Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:49 (eight years ago) link
ulysses I'm pretty sure Matt doesn't buy loads of counterfeit psych reissues on Radioactive and then act all holier-than-thou about streaming, but I respect your opinion.
also pretty sure every thread regular here except Jimmywine is totally cool w/a Spotify playlist.
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:55 (eight years ago) link
xp C'mon now, this is the best thread on ILX! Let's not ruin it by fighting. It's not a huge deal, just pointing out that a lot of us on this thread probably know some of these artists personally and, well, most of 'em ain't "making it" in the traditional sense, so it sucks to see them getting robbed.
That said, I understand the practical aspects of maintaining a single playlist for all of this (though it bums me out that it excludes people like me who would never have a Spotify account) and I guess it is the way the winds are blowing, so to speak. Maybe the compromise should be no more than one or two songs per artist or something?
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:56 (eight years ago) link
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Wednesday, February 3, 2016 7:55 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
p big assumption there, though I guess it's possible I could be the only one. I certainly don't relish the idea of leaving it to a vote, if that's what you mean. I might throw myself out of a window.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:57 (eight years ago) link
fwiw I think yr "one or two tracks" idea is totally fine
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Thursday, 4 February 2016 00:59 (eight years ago) link
Spotify is pretty grody but I do use it to listen to dicks picks.
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 February 2016 01:07 (eight years ago) link
When it comes to the turn offs, for me at least, the usability of the Spotify app definitely comes in a distant second behind the ethics of artist licensing and royalties. I deleted my Spotify login and should've never connected it to my FB account (& data) in the first place. The app seems kinda heavy overall and is difficult keep up with alongside all the stuff I've got going on my laptop at any given time.
I do like Soundcloud though, and I'm not sure how well this could work or if multiple users can participate in a single playlist? But what could be nice is a edit-able playlist of preview tracks that labels have uploaded when doing press releases for upcoming albums and the like. Some labels don't preview tracks this way, but it seems a lot certainly do now a days. Keeping track of all that in a single place could be nice.
― Neal Cassady, Thursday, 4 February 2016 02:59 (eight years ago) link
Can we drop this honestly?
― I'm currently in an online essential oil class! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:01 (eight years ago) link
Just checked and mattresslessness has never posted to this thread before & most of jimmywines posts are complaining about what's being posted in the thread.
― I'm currently in an online essential oil class! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:04 (eight years ago) link
The Spotify debate has moved to another (excruciating) thread. I'm sorry I mentioned it. But I take exception to the idea that "most" of my posts are "complaining about what's being posted in the thread." My opinion is that Spotify encourages a shallow listening experience and rips off artists, and it is true that I'm not crazy about the idea of people posting their own musical experiments here when we have an entire board dedicated to that very thing, but neither of those issues has kept me from posting very enthusiastically about thread-appropriate music as recently as 24 hours ago.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:16 (eight years ago) link
There's new Head Of Wantastiquet material released on a split tape with Dire Wolves on Pome Pome Tones out of San Francisco. I remember a lot of people really digging Dire Wolves "Jams and the Giant Peace" over at the Fangs and Arrows forum (RIP) when it came out on Stunned Records in '10. You guys might dig him too, lots of psych and komiche sounds.
http://pomepometones.blogspot.de/
― Neal Cassady, Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:45 (eight years ago) link
Stream it on bandcamp:https://jeffreyalexander.bandcamp.com/album/head-of-wantastiquet-dire-wolves-split-cs
― Neal Cassady, Thursday, 4 February 2016 03:46 (eight years ago) link
If anyone here never heard Paul LaBrecque's (Sunburned Hand of the Man) first Head Of Wantastiquet release from '07 on the Father Yod/Ecstatic Peace, it comes recommended—especially on solemn nights. It hovers in the Jewelled Antler-type territory mostly, with each subsequent release sitting in a different place of it's own.
http://headofwantastiquet.bandcamp.com/
― Neal Cassady, Thursday, 4 February 2016 07:35 (eight years ago) link
cosign on Paul. He's great.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 4 February 2016 14:25 (eight years ago) link
1) jimmy - my post was unfair. you def do contribute and that was wrong of me to say. however, i think ppl posting some of their music is a good thing and contributed to the culture of this thread. also, like for ex. global has released music on a great label in the space and shared bills with bachman, forsyth, and peter lang, so i don't see why he shouldn't post his music, or grandavis or neal or anyone (as for my stuff, well, every rose has its thorn as freakfolk group poison once said). and as neal pointed out the line between "enthusiast" and "artist" in a space as niche as this is pretty damn thin....but apologies to you, you've def been a good member of the community.
2) Was thinking it might be time to start a new thread anyway? this one is getting pretty long as is and it's a new year....what do ppl think?....or maybe I'll just keep posting til the spotify stuff is above the break and it won't annoy me anymore.
3) mattressless, please stay off this thread you only came here to attack jimmy.
― I'm currently in an online essential oil class! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 February 2016 15:13 (eight years ago) link
Thanks UMS, was gonna post some nonsense about thread politics etc. but fuck it, I am not interested in that shit generally, but yeah Jimmywine is a welcome participant in my book, like a bunch of his posts and thoughts on this stuff. Happy for a new thread or to ride with this one, as long as it rolls along in the usual manner.
― grandavis, Thursday, 4 February 2016 15:31 (eight years ago) link
My two cents take two: I will say that it isn't too hard to go out into the world beyond this thread and see that it has had an impact on helping some of these folks get more press + attention/exposure, though unfortunately sales are hard to come by for anyone doing interesting music these days. Hopefully the good outweighs the bad though in regards to what we post here streaming-wise, it is a tricky line to ride for sure. Not to give anyone a big head here though, we are just a very cloistered little crew of guitar nuts, but still it makes me happy to see stuff here grow legs and get a few ears it may not have gotten without it.
― grandavis, Thursday, 4 February 2016 15:38 (eight years ago) link
Back to cool shit: Tyler (I think?) posted this cool Gimmer link where the engineer breaks down how that record was made, plus provides some background details on Gimmer. Definitely a Memphis guy, which goes some way to explaining the Big Star relation here (engineer claims that Chris Bell was a fan essentially):
http://repforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php?topic=5781.0
― grandavis, Thursday, 4 February 2016 15:41 (eight years ago) link
every rose has its thorn as freakfolk group poison once said).
― I'm currently in an online essential oil class! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 4, 2016 10:13 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
HA! Apology definitely accepted and thanks for the irl LOL
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 4 February 2016 15:45 (eight years ago) link
another vote for that Gimmer Nicholson album, the guitar has a near clavier quality... so crystalline and yet so warm.http://www.npr.org/2016/02/04/465128476/songs-we-love-gimmer-nicholson-hermetic-waltz
― ulysses, Thursday, 4 February 2016 15:46 (eight years ago) link
That link above is a great read. But I was reading through going "say what guitars they used. say what guitars they used..." and then the very last thing on the site is like "sadly, we can't remember what guitars were used..." HA.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 4 February 2016 15:47 (eight years ago) link
Also, interesting to read Terry's tale of what a friend refers to as 'demo-itis,' as in, the artist getting accustomed to demos and rough mixes and then being unable to match those sounds on final mixes. I've heard of certain producers forbidding artists from leaving the studio with rough mixes, and I guess this is one of the reasons why.
(I also like how Terry dodged the THC question).
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Thursday, 4 February 2016 16:01 (eight years ago) link
Yeah man, that overview was fascination. "Demo-it is" is very real. Really too bad that he was thinking about recording again but didn't get there. May not have lived up to this one great record, but still, would have been cool to see.
― grandavis, Thursday, 4 February 2016 16:04 (eight years ago) link
Uhh, "was fascinating".
"Charon's Crossing" is out there bruh
― ulysses, Thursday, 4 February 2016 16:06 (eight years ago) link
yeah the gimmer thing is pretty amazing. been putting it on repeat at work, making me a better person, i think. was under the impression that Manning's CD of it in the 1990s was the first release, but it seems like it came out in a very small way on Sid Selvidge's Peabody label in the late 70s or early 80s? Not even listed on discogs, but it apparently was sold on ebay a while back. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/LARRY-Gimmer-NICHOLSON-Christopher-Idylls-LP-PEABODY-Outsider-Folk-PSYCH-Memphis/221406635941There's also this late 80s video of Gimmer, which is nothing like Christopher Idylls. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aELLQv7oHlY
― tylerw, Thursday, 4 February 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
'Hermetic Waltz' is like being hit over the head and having all rainbows fly out everywhere. I wish Light in the Attic stuff wasn't such a pain in the arse to get hold of in the UK.
― Poacher (Chinaski), Thursday, 4 February 2016 17:09 (eight years ago) link
sounds like VDSQ has a ton of good stuff coming up: [via facebook]
What's up with VDSQ?In production now:VDSQ Solo Acoustic Vol 11- Michael ChapmanVDSQ Solo Acoustic Vol 12- Sarah LouiseVDSQ Solo Acoustic Vol 13- Tashi DorjiVDSQ Solo Acoustic Vol 14- Kristin Thora HaraldsdottirComing Later- new records from Arian Shafiee, Jim O'Rourke, another full length from Anthony Pasquarosa, a solo ambient pedal steel LP from Chuck Johnson, Donald Miller has prepared some recordings for an upcoming VDSQ release...plus more to be announced. Really excited about sharing all of this soon. Samples forthcoming.
― tylerw, Monday, 8 February 2016 16:39 (eight years ago) link
oooh Donald Miller!
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 8 February 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
I imagine that record will kill most everything on this thread from 20 paces away
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 8 February 2016 16:45 (eight years ago) link
Sarah Louise's album is gonna be great
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 8 February 2016 16:52 (eight years ago) link
This is a good list. What will the Donald Miller stuff be like I wonder? Pretty much only know his Borbetomagus power moves.
― grandavis, Monday, 8 February 2016 16:55 (eight years ago) link
Yeah, if anyone hasn't heard Sarah Louise - A Field Guide it's great
Global I remember her saying some of the stuff she played at your house show was from the VDSQ
― I'm currently in an online essential oil class! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 8 February 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link
yeah that's why i'm stoked on it. she's got a great style
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 8 February 2016 17:57 (eight years ago) link
Ha, the Sarah Louise on Apple Music does not sound like what I was hoping for. Found the guitarist on Bandcamp.
― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Monday, 8 February 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
haha i found her too once... i believe a song had 'riot' misspelled in its title as 'riat'
― global tetrahedron, Monday, 8 February 2016 18:34 (eight years ago) link
Hmmm, a certain site keeps sliding Joe Bonamassa promoted clips to me. What does this mean?
― grandavis, Monday, 8 February 2016 18:42 (eight years ago) link
The good Sarah Louise is wonderful!
― Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Monday, 8 February 2016 18:50 (eight years ago) link
really enjoying this today:
https://soundcloud.com/out-in-gompers-park
― global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 00:50 (eight years ago) link
I've never even heard of this one! I'm a Twilight Peaks fanatic so if this (released a year before) is anything in that neighborhood, count me in...
www.grasstopsrecording.bandcamp.com/album/bouquet?mc_cid=48ab263a2d&mc_eid=db424a4d62
Also, no vinyl reissue?
― Wimmels, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 01:29 (eight years ago) link
Sometimes they've had another label do the vinyl I think?
― uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 01:36 (eight years ago) link
http://www.robbiebasho-archives.info/archives/pics/2bouquet.jpg
not heard this, but as another huge twilight peaks fan I'm stoked
― ogmor, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:18 (eight years ago) link
reading a basho tracklist always puts a smile in my face, couldn't be anyone else
― ogmor, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:19 (eight years ago) link
hahahahahaha
2. Khalil Gibran
too perfect
― uptown garfunkel (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:20 (eight years ago) link
http://quotlr.com/images/quotes/BiVe-r8CEAATNRC.jpg- Bob Marley
― tylerw, Wednesday, 10 February 2016 15:25 (eight years ago) link
Anyone picking up that new Chuck Johnson full band LP Velvet Arc?
― Evan, Thursday, 11 February 2016 15:23 (eight years ago) link
Haven't even heard any tracks from it. Interested to see where he (Chuck Johnson) takes it for sure.
― grandavis, Thursday, 11 February 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link
i dig it! blends the americana vibe w/ some spacier/minimalist moves very nicely. very much of a piece w/ his solo stuff, even though this is obviously more fleshed out.
― tylerw, Thursday, 11 February 2016 16:33 (eight years ago) link
You know there is a perfectly solid track as a preview on soundcloud right now, but I know I remember a more interesting track from it released prior yet I cannot find it now...
― Evan, Thursday, 11 February 2016 16:34 (eight years ago) link