The National - Trouble Will Find Me

i don't think the "graceless" video was ever posted in here but it's sort of the ultimate national video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpz_gUyImhw

i took the medicine then i went missing

i mean, the national imo are a really interesting band bc from a distance they do embody everything that's boring and morose about modern american indie rock but in terms of composition and interplay they're one of the tightest bands around and they are always pushing at their own boundaries and their lyrics are super funny but also very sharp and can do great suggestive things in the space of a couplet, and basically none of these things are immediately accessible from the surface

otm

yup^^

like, I'm sure Turrican is a perfectly nice person and I'm not interested in starting a fight but this is so, so dumb:

I don't even remember any of the drumming. What I do remember is morose American indie rock.

― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican), Wednesday, September 7, 2016 11:22 AM (thirty-six minutes ago)

oops, forgot to block quote

like if you come to me and say "check out this music that's not normally up your alley, the guitar playing is incredible" and I come back and say "i didn't notice the guitar playing, what I did notice is the music isn't really my thing" i think it'll be time to fold up shop

For what it's worth, I don't recall anyone saying to me, three years ago, "Check out the new National album. Amazing drumming."

If they had, and I'm basing this on what little I actually remember about hearing this record and also bear in mind I did listen to this album in full more than once, I'd return the favour by asking 'em to check out a Rush record.

there is one kind of amazing drumming and its avatar is neil peart

bookmarked

seriously bryan devendorf is incredible turrican i'm sorry but obv u lack two ears and a heart

also god forbid an album should be a grower

it's OK to dislike morose American indie rock, but that doesn't make this a boring record or The National a bad band, that's all.

This band sucks so much it's breathtaking

love that turrican's response to the idea that this band has a great drummer was to bump a bunch of prog and hard rock threads with the phrase "amazing drumming"

huh "i should live in salt" is in 9/8, wild

Turrican's schtick is boring as fuck.

It's rather fitting that a hardcore fan of a band so terminally dull as Embrace should be in this thread, then.

Having irritated a dozen posters in the last month, Turrican has become the morose indie band of ILM.

If people are getting wound up that I find their favourite band/artist/album unmemorable and/or crap, that's not my problem.

Saying the National suck because the drumming isn't as good as Neil Peart or Alan White's is like saying New Order suck because Sumner doesn't play guitar as well as Richard Thompson.

(as this thread shows I'm no National fan either)

we get it, amazing drumming is about insane fills and pyrotechnics

Saying the National suck because the drumming isn't as good as Neil Peart or Alan White's

Except I didn't once say these exact words. Good try, though.

xp and xylosynths

they had, and I'm basing this on what little I actually remember about hearing this record and also bear in mind I did listen to this album in full more than once, I'd return the favour by asking 'em to check out a Rush record.

― the hair - it's lost its energy (Turrican),

This is no different. Keep slithering away though.

In fact, I don't recall saying that The National suck, either. I said that I listened to their album, more than once, and found it extremely unmemorable. People brought up the drumming, and I mentioned that nothing even stuck out on that front and that what I do remember was listening to a morose American indie rock record. Cue wahhh.

love that turrican's response to the idea that this band has a great drummer was to bump a bunch of prog and hard rock threads with the phrase "amazing drumming"

― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:11 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Did it not occur to you that I'm actually talking about music that I've been listening to recently? The fact that those bands have legitimately amazing drummers is mere coincidence.

This is no different. Keep slithering away though.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:55 PM (nineteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's completely different. You're implying that I think The National suck because of the drumming, which is something I never once said. What I did say is from what little I remember about the record, that if someone asked me to check the record out for its drumming, then I likely wouldn't have much to say about it. That Neil Peart is a world renowned world class drummer, though, is without dispute.

I'm just saying that if someone asked me to check the record out for cigar-lighting cgi dragons on jumbotrons, then I likely wouldn't have much to say about it. Neil Peart is a world renowned receptacle for cigars lit by cigar-lighting cgi dragons on jumbotrons.

you definitely don't have much to say about the drumming of a record that you don't really remember anything about from three years ago

I have to say, it is most curious how it's always the fans of morose indie rock that get the most butthurt when people imply the artist/album is unmemorable or dull. Radiohead, The National... there should be a name for this condition, tbh.

there are so, so many much more generic / less distinctive bands to single out for derision

i for one support turrican in his claim that Lars Ulrich is a better band than the national

lol

turricans posting style itt vs drum sound on st anger

Now you're just making yourselves look ridiculous, guys, but whatever floats your boat.

As I said before, if people can't handle someone saying they find their favourite artist/album dull/unmemorable, then that's not my problem.

no your problem is being a dullard

ps the national suck

Then in three years time you'll struggle to remember anything about this post.

i cannot think of anything that would rile me up less than someone saying The National are boring

wow, butthurt

A lot of online tabs peg "I Should Live in Salt" as 17/8, which at first seems ... unlikely. But I guess I can hear how someone could count that.

Anyway, anyone got any information on the new album?

All I can find is that it's being recorded now, unlikely to come out this year and that they've "gone electronic" (whatever that means)

arab strap is a good band to enjoy while waiting for a new national release

I kind of get the spirit of why people think the National are dull. I was at some music thing where I met a girl who told me the National were her favorite band and when I asked her why she replied "They romanticize the ordinary." Like it's the poetic stream of consciousness of the average intelligent thirty something who is falling deep into ennui.

But there is something there lurking under the surface that makes them just interesting enough for me to not skip some of their tracks when they show up on shuffle. A subtle mythos that makes their songs become more than they are.

i think what's lurking beneath the surface is a killer band full of killer players who mostly write songs that are interesting and good

Trouble Will Find Me is probably in my top ten in favorite of albums of the decade, so far.

It was my favorite of 2013 for sure.

when I asked her why she replied "They romanticize the ordinary."

this is okay but the correct answer is bryan devendorf

New album soon?

Sleep Well Beast. pic.twitter.com/3IpxpigJlj

— The National (@TheNational) May 9, 2017

promising tease

New album September 8th

New track now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O6duDDkhis