Sports Men is one of my favourite Hosono solo tracks and that's a really fantastic cover
― ufo, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 14:42 (seven years ago) link
just want to say that I totally love the two yanokami albums & thanks for the rec frogbs
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 03:12 (seven years ago) link
no problem - they're definitely very cool albums
by the way I've been really digging the new Denki Groove...it's longer and less refined than anything they've done since their comeback, with a number of extended tracks and a lot of great melodies (as usual). definitely going on my year end list.
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 May 2017 13:28 (seven years ago) link
Another great member of the YMO family is Masayoshi Takanaka:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv_YC56zq4c
He was the guitarist on YMO's first (and best, I think) album. The song above has Sakamoto on keys, and while discogs doesn't credit him for writing or arrangement, it's clear he co-wrote the song. Compare it to Tong Poo and Sakamoto's influence is unmistakable.
Here's another with Sakamoto on keys.
Here's a rare example of all four YMO members coming together on a non-YMO album. Even Matsutake is on this one:
Rajie - Giraffe Landscapes (1979) -- you can hear Tong Poo again, Behind the Mask, the elements are there. Unmistakably YMO.
― 3×5, Friday, 30 June 2017 14:54 (seven years ago) link
just snagged this during last night shopping spree
http://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/ijcAAOSwo3pWctwE/s-l200.jpghttp://www.ebay.com/itm/YELLOW-MAGIC-ORCHESTRA-YMO-YMO-USA-YELLOW-MAGIC-ORCHESTRA-2-VINYL-LP-NEW-/332158065189
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 30 June 2017 14:58 (seven years ago) link
Lucky you, that's the best YMO album. That pre-Jpop YMO is so embedded in every anime and NES soundtrack. Japanese to the core.
― 3×5, Friday, 30 June 2017 15:00 (seven years ago) link
YMO user's guide in Wire issue 404
― willem, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
Cool, I might keep an eye out for that.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
Me too, I bought an old Wire mag from Ebay with a really nice Hosono interview recently.
― MaresNest, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
I think I hit the motherlode today.
Kamiya - Mu (1980) The whole album is amazing.
Osamu Shoji - Night Flight (1979) Also amazing all the way through.
Himekami - 年 全辑 (1981) This album is great and the one after is pretty good too.
None of these are in the YMO family but the sound is exactly right for what I want. Hope you enjoy.
― 3×5, Thursday, 14 September 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
wow @ the Kamiya one, I can't figure out which tune from the YMO s/t that's modeled after because it basically sounds like every one of them
the other ones sound a lot better to me, will definitely be checking both those out
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:07 (six years ago) link
Good to see this thread being revived again. I've been obsessively listening to Sakamoto's Illustrated Musical Encyclopedia this week. Such a wonderful album.
― kitchen person, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:49 (six years ago) link
i started listening to a youtube playlist after the Kamiya song, and it eventually led to this, which i think is great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRza12FLW4
especially the part after the breakdown, around 2 minutes in. siiiiick1983, i think.
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 September 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
Right on, 3x5!
― brimstead, Friday, 15 September 2017 00:16 (six years ago) link
love Night Flight.
<3 been on a major YMO kick this year too. i want to hear "Simoon" on a constant loop for the rest of my life
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 15 September 2017 13:07 (six years ago) link
awesome will check those recs.
These days, my main YMO jam is Technodelic, which some seems more fun to me than BGM, and the songs are a little less obscured by the recording/technology. It's weird that a lot of people lump YMO into the "sounds like Kraftwerk" bucket, because they were really a different thing altogether. I almost want to look at them as a (fairly radical) extension of exotica composers like Les Baxter and Martin Denny, but using modern technology.
― Dominique, Friday, 15 September 2017 13:19 (six years ago) link
totally and the reclaiming of "Firecracker" is the gateway.
id also put The Ventures in that list.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 15 September 2017 13:48 (six years ago) link
posting here bc i think y'all will enjoy it + the production is v honoso i(y)mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17OeCznSm5I
― clouds, Friday, 15 September 2017 13:55 (six years ago) link
xxp yea I think a comparison like that makes more sense if you consider them to be an offshoot of what Hosono was doing from 76-78, though they quickly evolved into their own thing. it's nuts that the self-titled and Technodelic were only three years apart.
I agree that Kraftwerk comparisons are mostly bogus, if only because these guys were actual musicians and the stuff they wrote was a lot more melodically complex than anything Kraftwerk could do. That said I don't really mind the label, it gets people interested
right now one of my favorite YMO things is this tune from Akiko Yano from when YMO was essentially her backing band. it's 8 minutes long and feels a bit like a showtune medley. there's an amazing electronic drum freakout about halfway through. I feel like this album is up there with anything YMO did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk8NScB_R7Q&t=2675s
― frogbs, Friday, 15 September 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
there's such a richness/depth to their compositions, they obviously know a lot about classical and tin pan alley (ha) type stuff
― brimstead, Friday, 15 September 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
xpost One of my absolute favorite albums. Pretty much perfect straight through. Was listening to this and Tadaima before bed last night.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
Love the "choir" vocals (throughout both those albums) and tonal shifts in that tune.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link
I've somehow ignored YMO until recently (maybe because I confused them with ELO, who I also don't listen to?), but finally ended up here after going down a Youtube hole of Haruomi Hosono stuff, all of which is just insanely ahead of its time.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
ya Tadaima is maybe even better, though it's just a single instead of a double. gotta love when a skilled and generally tasteful musician just goes off the deep end.
― frogbs, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
I think it's pretty difficult, and rare, to get the YMO sound right. Honestly, I think YMO stopped getting YMO right towards the end of their careers, and all the solo and Yen records stuff that came after misses the mark and goes into the generic J-pop bin, for me.
For me, the YMO sound is their early sound: self-consciously electronic, self-consciously Japanese, informed by their disco/fusion/lounge sensibilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE2DQQhGam4
Jazzy chord progressions with a pentatonic melody over the top. Perfect.
― 3×5, Friday, 15 September 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
hell yeah
― brimstead, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:20 (six years ago) link
Ehhh see I disagree. I think they began losing it after Technodelic. The earlier stuff is kitschier and has Hosono's sensibilities reigning heavily over everything. I think BGM and Technodelic sound like no one else at that time.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 15 September 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
But it's all great and I don't want to come across like Turrican or something lol.
I agree that Kraftwerk comparisons are mostly bogus, if only because these guys were actual musicians and the stuff they wrote was a lot more melodically complex than anything Kraftwerk could do.
This is unfair. Hütter, Schneider and Bartos were all classically trained. Kraftwerk's minimalistic style was a deliberate aesthetic choice.
― Vast Halo, Friday, 15 September 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
brimstead knows what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLUgH6ztFes
― 3×5, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
84 maxell commericial, music by sakamoto. there is a longer version available on two different comps of his commericial/tv work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZ25BzokNNU
― brimstead, Saturday, 16 September 2017 23:16 (six years ago) link
i love the wireless headsets they used in this performance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4JwpaTnz2U
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 23:34 (six years ago) link
This doesn't sound much like YMO, though it's also from the same time, also from Japan, also weird electronic pop. Basically I just came across it, love it, wanted to share.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHGqvYVfpEU
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
It's weird that a lot of people lump YMO into the "sounds like Kraftwerk" bucket, because they were really a different thing altogether.
It's not weird at all - I mean, I can see why people have a tendency to lump YMO in with Kraftwerk, even though at the same time I can see why they shouldn't be lumped together.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 09:44 (six years ago) link
Kraftwerk were also "actual musicians" and were indeed more than capable of writing melodically complex music, but they made a conscious decision to simplify and limit themselves.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 09:48 (six years ago) link
I don't want to come across like Turrican or something
I don't think you've got anything to worry about.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 09:50 (six years ago) link
Guess I was unaware of Kraftwerks musical prowess...haven't really heard them play
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 September 2017 12:59 (six years ago) link
The prog/fusion musicianly aspect of YMO is the part that interests me least.
― The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Saturday, 23 September 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
Kraftwerk being able to play makes sense and seems evident in a lot of their earlier jammy stuff. "Autobahn" is a 22 minute long song. you can't really sustain a single song for that long if you don't know how to play.
melodic complexity is overrated. it's fine if you have it but it's entirely unnecessary compared to rhythmic invention at least in the modern/pop sphere imo.
YMO seems born out of Japan studio pros, almost more like a synth Led Zeppelin
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 23 September 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
Yeah I don't know I always thought kraftwerk came from the academy whereas the ymo guys had been woodshedding in bands and jazz combos or something
― brimstead, Saturday, 23 September 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link
Not that a group can't do/be both
Hosono was in Happy End who were very successful, kinda like Japan's answer to The Band or CSNY, Takahasi was the drummer for Sadistic Mika Band who had a fair amount of reach into the west, only Sakamoto came from an academic background, studying music composition.
― MaresNest, Saturday, 23 September 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
https://image.ibb.co/ccnaLm/22853297_10155371537889877_6830628044043759678_n_1_2.jpg
― MaresNest, Thursday, 26 October 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
need some context
― clouds, Thursday, 26 October 2017 21:49 (six years ago) link
It's hanging in the Gare de Paris-Est I believe. There's an exhibition at the Centre Pompidou Metz about contemporary Japanese design.
http://www.centrepompidou-metz.fr/en/japanorama-new-vision-art-1970
― MaresNest, Friday, 27 October 2017 00:11 (six years ago) link
This is a slightly bizarre debate. Kraftwerk weren’t total noobs—Hütter and Schneider went to music school—but they weren’t Can or YMO either in the sense that they weren’t already somewhat established as players and composers by the time they got together. Compositionally and performance-wise, their early stuff (Tone Float, I and II, Ralf and Florian) reflects this. That said, if you cannot hear an enormous (and wonderful) debt to Kraftwerk in a song like Insomnia from Solid State Survivor you have rocks between your ears.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 16:14 (six years ago) link
definitely - KW's fingerprints are all over SSS. their instrumental skill comes out on their other records though, particularly the live ones - Public Pressure has some really great performances on it, and I think the work they did on those Akiko Yano albums are top notch. I kinda wish they'd explored that side even more. Even now in a band like Metafive, it's kind of astounding how good a drummer YT still is, even though he (I assume) hasn't really played much in decades.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 November 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
Much of the very recent live work has seen YMO adopt a more straightforward “band” sound; the No Nukes 2012 album feels really live. And yes, Takahashi is an astonishing drummer.
― bamboohouses, Thursday, 23 November 2017 00:34 (six years ago) link
YMO is amazing and Kraftwerk are a joke band
― 3×5, Thursday, 23 November 2017 04:25 (six years ago) link
YMO are both those things
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 November 2017 04:32 (six years ago) link