King Crimson OG presses seem to hold their value on discogs
https://www.discogs.com/King-Crimson-Red/release/702337
https://www.discogs.com/King-Crimson-In-The-Court-Of-The-Crimson-King-An-Observation-By-King-Crimson/release/2287669
https://www.discogs.com/King-Crimson-Starless-And-Bible-Black/release/1345783
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 20:21 (seven years ago) link
crimson albums are not cheap used anymore, but they certainly were throughout the 80's and 90's.
― akm, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link
you could say that about any rock records that sold in large quantities
Yeah, it was equally true of Born to Run or Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:06 (seven years ago) link
The era of prog rock was a much, much smaller world. Ignorance—denotatively—abounded.
Yeah, this Counterpunch piece sucks.
― jmm, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:11 (seven years ago) link
― akm, Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:42 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this is also true of any rock records that sold in large quantities!
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:11 (seven years ago) link
hell i pulled out my OG press of Love's Forever Changes (NM condition) and it cost me $8 back in the day!! the sticker was on the polybag
what a world. you could have beat the stock market buying records 20 years ago
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:13 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, I got those Springsteen and Dylan records for a buck or two at most; no more than a few bucks for the first Clash, Jam, Joy Division/New Order, etc.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
when I collected vinyl in college a lot of those prog records outside of Yes and ELP were really quite difficult to find. KC records were fairly rare (outside of In the Court and Discipline), only saw one Gentle Giant LP, never a single VdGG or Magma. then again this is in Green Bay. but still.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
VdGG and Magma were always pretty rare, at least in Mpls
maybe in nyc or something? i dunno
records are weird, you can always tell certain bands sold strongly in certain regions
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:23 (seven years ago) link
Ha, Montreal was a good place for prog records in the early 00s. I picked up Pawn Hearts for a few bucks iirc.
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 27 June 2017 21:57 (seven years ago) link
I think I got a portion of one old proggers collection out of a bookstore in Bloomington back in the 90s. I got most of Tangerine Dreams' Virgin records, a Gentle Giant, Babe Ruth and three VdGG vinyl for probably $25 bucks.
― earlnash, Tuesday, 27 June 2017 22:02 (seven years ago) link
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r)
when i went to quebec in the late '90s (gatineau, not montreal) my friend took me to a record store called "the musical box". still got some stuff i picked up there. "pawn hearts" as well, soft machine's "triple echo" (at a time when finding that first single was utterly impossible). lost my copy of "in the court of the crimson king" though. :( also managed to pick up both "happy the man" albums in dc, where they were fucking everywhere used back in the day.
magma albums were hens' teeth - i don't know that there were ever any us pressings of them on vinyl. back when i was a major proghead i knew some folks who had magma lps, but it was super rare. they were a lot more accessible once they came out on cd, though again it wasn't until the late '90s when your average person had a chance of actually _hearing_ _mekanik destruktiw kommandoh_. so it was a little surprising to walk into a local record store a couple weeks back and find out they had multiple copies of most of magma's '70s albums (no mdk) on 180g vinyl. not as surprising as it was to find out that harvey mandel was still alive and had a new record out, but close.
― Rodney Stooksbury for President (rushomancy), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 01:21 (seven years ago) link
I finished the prog book last night, and then remembered that King Crimson are playing tonight down the street from where I work at the Chicago Theatre. Is it fate? The question is, do I want to pay $50 for a last-minute ticket to set in nosebleeds seats in the balcony. The setlist from the Mpls show has a pretty nice mix:
1 In The Court of the Crimson King1 In The Wake of Poseidon2 Lizard3 Islands2 Larks' Tongue2 Red1 Discipline1 Beat1 The Power To Believe
5 Unknown Newer Songs
http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/king-crimson/2017/state-theatre-minneapolis-mn-53e4e75d.html
― Fastnbulbous, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 17:40 (seven years ago) link
it's totally fate
in will romano's prog FAQ from a few years back, explaining the ongoing charm of these guys
http://www.themusicalbox.net/
and the still strong french-canadian prog scene, the real peter "rael" gabriel says that quebec may as well be a european country, and without early success in montreal, genesis maybe never would've been able to tour the states and blow up
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 28 June 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
Huh, Discipline and Beat? Curious about what they will do to those belew era songs.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 17:52 (seven years ago) link
Pink label Island copies?
― timellison, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link
they are playing 'neurotica' but instrumental except for the 'arrive in neurotica' chorus; the only song from discipline they've been playing is 'indiscipline'. I still haven't heard it but it's the one song people haven't been enamoured with. they also do 'construkction of light' but with no vocals.
someone tipped belew off to this on his FB recently andhe didn't sound pleased, and stated they'd had an agreement they wouldn't play anything he'd written. But they've been doing Construkction of Light since 2014 or 2015 or whenever they came back.
― akm, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 19:07 (seven years ago) link
Just saw that, interesting. But not as interesting as seeing that he formed some sort of new band with Stewart Copeland and Mark King from Level 42.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygZyuB21gMU&feature=youtu.be
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:05 (seven years ago) link
That Gizmodrome track sounds pretty good - never would've guessed it was made by such old-timers. Copeland sounds great, what the hell
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 June 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
"the band’s proggiest album turns out to also be their most visceral and vital"
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/king-gizzard-and-the-lizard-wizard-murder-of-the-universe/
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:05 (seven years ago) link
Mojo issue with VdGG was May 2002
― heaven parker (anagram), Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:45 (seven years ago) link
Oh looks like remasters were 3 years later.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:55 (seven years ago) link
So wonder if there was a tie in to them. Had assumed the 2 mitght have coincided roughly. But does look like there may have been a reissue campaign in 2000.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:58 (seven years ago) link
that gizmodrome track is fucking horrendous yikes
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:09 (seven years ago) link
lead singer was wearing a Yes/Fragile t-shirt for their set at glastonbury - became obvious as to why as i sat through 10 minutes of it.
― mark e, Thursday, 29 June 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
not often you see those on stage
new FLOATING POINTS album is pretty good. "kelso dunes"!
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 29 June 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
well it's not perfect but weigel's book is really really good. wish it were longer and covered more bands
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 10 July 2017 22:49 (seven years ago) link
Supposedly, he was at the King Crimson show last night in Red Bank, NJ, but I didn't see him.
― grawlix (unperson), Monday, 10 July 2017 23:04 (seven years ago) link
Confirmed
If you’re in NJ, go see King Crimson at @CountBasieThtr tonight at 8! Caught the first show last night and it owned https://t.co/qQPgGJDZqj— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) July 10, 2017
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 July 2017 23:28 (seven years ago) link
anyone know of some good funky prog rock break records?
Soft Machine 3 through 6Trevor Watts Moiré Project--With One VoiceBill Bruford--Feels Good To Me; Gradually Going TornadoBrand X--Unorthodox BehaviourAssociation PC--Erna Morena; Mama Kuku
― j arthur rank, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 01:39 (seven years ago) link
Giles Giles and Fripp and McDonald and Giles has some super funky breaks iirc
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 10:07 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UPk3kIr_wA
Actually, the entire "Prague Rock" ep still sounds outstanding.
― doug watson, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 13:25 (seven years ago) link
Haha, I see I made the same comment in this thread 13 years ago.
― doug watson, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 13:28 (seven years ago) link
plastic people of the universe "zacpa" breaks funky
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 18:43 (seven years ago) link
Thoughts on Sunday night's King Crimson show.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 12:59 (seven years ago) link
Now, see, as a fan of almost everything the band has done, I was very much glad I did not go, since I saw them in 2015 and this line-up and approach seems (more or less) the same. The question remains: if Fripp is so interested in keeping things, well, interesting, then why is this current line-up so (very relatively) restrained? I recall the racket made by the double-trio, or the improvisation of the ProjeKCts ... this/these tours might be playing older stuff, but I still think they're playing it sort of safe.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:18 (seven years ago) link
This one always feels like a cool modification of the "Bitches Brew" bassline to me (the one around 3:00). The intervals are different but there's a similar rhythm and feel. Do you know if they commented on whether they were making an intentional allusion?
― No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 13:19 (seven years ago) link
finished Weigel's good; it's alright but I have a feeling editing butchered the second half. There are blatant mistakes, like he says "belew" when he clearly meant "levin"; he covers a lot of MIck Pointer in Marillion but never mentions his replacement (Ian Mosely), there's a passing reference to Andy Ward but unless you knew they tried him out in between it makes no sense which makes me think something got removed from the text. He also completely skips Gabriel's So, even in passing; but spends a lot of time going over Collins' pop career. Also, zero mention of Kate Bush, who I would have thought warranted some kind of mention. The book basically centers around Fripp and Keith Emerson, which is fine; Fripp comes across as the person who survived all of this with the most integrity, and Emerson (and Lake) is (are) the most tragic figure(s). I'd like to see an expanded manuscript. It's really the stuff that's excluded that is a bit bewildering; very little on the Lamb; no mention of the awfulness of Love Beach. Dunno. wait for the paperback, I suggest.
― akm, Saturday, 15 July 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
oh also, he was still working on this through the time that KC 'reuinted' in 2014/2015, I think that would have made a better ending to the book.
― akm, Saturday, 15 July 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
Any Saint Just fans? This first album is really good.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 27 July 2017 23:48 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcpOuPSM3Og
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 10 August 2017 22:54 (seven years ago) link
https://www.karismarecords.no/karisma-records-signs-norways-leading-symphonic-proggers-wobbler-album-details-revealed/
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 24 August 2017 23:36 (seven years ago) link
Awesome, those dudes are tight
― frogbs, Friday, 25 August 2017 01:32 (seven years ago) link
Anyone like Family?
Bought a copy of their album Fearless, mostly because it has multiple diecut levels that fan out really cool
Any I dig em a lot, def prog but from a different, more blues/RnB perspective...um... Hard to pin down I guess, they definitely have chops and get out there but it's not fancy pants or fantasy oriented....I guess Jethro Tull is the closest, but sub the jazz flute for almost Stax gone prog horns, or maybe Blood Sweat & Tears as a heavy prog band. Singer is really something, has that feral quality of Ian Anderson or Peter Hammil
Anyway, interesting group worth checking out. Had some big names pass through their ranks, John Wetton, Ric Grech & Jim Cregan
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 27 August 2017 14:39 (seven years ago) link
I've been trying to get people here interested in Family for ages! Are they really a prog band though? They seem pretty unclassifiable to me.
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Monday, 28 August 2017 00:15 (seven years ago) link
have a really hard time getting into them.
― akm, Monday, 28 August 2017 01:04 (seven years ago) link
i dig Family. roger chapman is a beast. they're up there for me with Audience, Comus, and (not the NYC one) Spyrogyra in deep woods british yodel folk prog
totally unrelated by prins thomas' remix of dungen's häxan is the hot stuff
― reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 28 August 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Sunday, August 27, 2017 7:15 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah...I guess I feel like they are but they def don't fit in a way, but where else do you put them? They are definitely too complex and eccentric to be just another 70s hard rock band
Is Jethro Tull considered prog by most?
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 August 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
yes, jethro tull is prog
― imago, Monday, 28 August 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
also it's always better than you think it's going to be, like the simpsons (but less good than that)
― imago, Monday, 28 August 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link