Anyone who mentions 'Rockism' is UNCOOL

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haha nate-- oh I can't haha

― Josh, Monday, 5 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I should post the huge essay I wrote about rockism (or I would, if it wasn't so bad). I think rockism has a lot to do with canonization itself (ie: is canonization itself).

― Dan I., Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

This thread has some good gags (esp. Gareth) and good points. But: in an ILX context, the whole argument is a red herring. Rockism in this place is a straw donkey. Possibly in a MOJO (or other) context the debate would still have some meaning.

ie: if you were actually talking to someone rockist, then you might either a) get genuinely polemical vs rockism in a new and interesting way; b) find interesting things and value in what is called rockism; or possibly a mixture of both.

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Nate it was a gag, mostly. Also at that point I recognised you from your stuff on rockcritics.com's Top 5 Lists, most of which seemed to be 'DAMN AND BLAST these trendy critics at the Village Voice who profess to see value in disposable pop grrr'.

― Tom, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Possibly in a MOJO (or other) context the debate would still have some meaning.

This is like saying the only valid debate about the crappiness of processed American Cheese would be in Kraft Foods boardroom.

We're not talking about the rockism on ILx so much as we're talking about rockism in the world, and the fact that the general tone of this forum might happen to sway one way or the other does not necessarily invalidate the truthfulness (or even blunt the rhetorical force) of everybody's statements on this thread.

― Michael Daddino, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't esp. agree. Roughly what I'm saying is: anti-rockists here are preaching to the converted, tilting at windmills [and other handy metaphors like that] - and their discourse on rockism might be more interesting and fruitful if they'd engage with actual rockists in rockist centres of rockist excellence.

(btw, I thought your definitions upthread one of the best contributions by far.)

― the pinefox, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

but pinefox, how can it be preaching to the converted when a thread like this gets 60-100 new answers? the fact is, ilx is nowhere near as anti-rockist as its detractors (and perhaps its defenders too?) imagine.

― gareth, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah well I disown like half the stuff I've contributed to the rockcritics.com Top Five anyhow. As it stands I'm a bit more opposed to critics taking some of this ephemeral pop stuff way too seriously - - liking the Backstreet Boys is one thing, but calling "I Want It That Way" one of the best songs of the past couple decades sort of weirds me out. (I'd explain why, but by the time I'd get to the phrase 'watered-down New Edition' I'd've dug myself into a hole I can't get out of.)

― Nate Patrin, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

in an ILX context, the whole argument is a red herring. Rockism in this place is a straw donkey.

see also: hat-dwelling rabbit, flogged dead (trojan?) horse, rubber chicken

― The Actual Mr. Jones, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh look we have to keep the term "rockist!" - how else do we answer allegations of "ILX Mafia!"???

― Tim, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

With guns, concrete shoes and the help of Big Tony.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone who starts or posts to threads about rockism is uncool.

― DeRayMi, Tuesday, 6 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

sixteen years pass...

Uncool

― Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 August 2019 15:31 (four years ago) link

great revive

― Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 August 2019 18:35 (four years ago) link

sterling early work from custos as ever

― mark s, Thursday, 1 August 2019 18:37 (four years ago) link

😎

― U or Astro-U? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 1 August 2019 18:39 (four years ago) link

What exactly is the inverse of "rockism," "Popism"?
― Alex in NYC, Sunday, August 4, 2002 5:00 PM

First mention on ILM?

― the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Thursday, 1 August 2019 18:42 (four years ago) link

by no means!

(for either word)

― mark s, Thursday, 1 August 2019 18:51 (four years ago) link

lol @ everyone in this thread acting like rockism is a boring and tired topic that’s been discussed to death

― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 1 August 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link

man baffled by literally everything assumes rest of world accurately sees into future, pretends it can't

― mark s, Thursday, 1 August 2019 21:19 (four years ago) link

OH NO DADDIO!

― Sarah, Monday, August 5, 2002 1:00 AM (sixteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

― cheese canopy (map), Thursday, 1 August 2019 22:48 (four years ago) link

^^ not me btw

― sarahell, Thursday, 1 August 2019 22:57 (four years ago) link

rockism kicks ass

― ciderpress, Friday, 2 August 2019 00:26 (four years ago) link

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