Led Zeppelin: Classic Or Dud?

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All those "Zep were overrated!!!!" type folk seem to forget that during their lifetime, Led Zeppelin were probably the most critically reviled rock band on the planet!!!!! Their 'good' reputation only really grew in the 80s when a sizeable of the massive amount of young sprites who bought their records and attented their stadium gigs grew up to be rock critics themselves!!!! And thenfrom about themid 80s, yu have the likes of the Beastie Boys sampling Zep riffs, and even an idealised 80s hair-metal Zep clone rock band by the name of Kingdom Come!!!! So it's not liek there was a coonspiracy to overrate tha Zep!!! In fact, if anything it was the opposite, and then when that failed it went to the other extreme (Coinciding with the release of the cherry-picked "Remasters" set)!!!! Now, with all the albums finally remastered and extra bits added, it's all starting to settle down somewhere near the middle (At least in the UK!!!), and generally it seems agreed that:
  1. When Zep were good they were really good!!!!!
  2. When they weren't good, they really stunk!!!!!
  3. Generally the good bits outwiegh the bad, up until about the last couple of albums!!!!!
  4. Concert-wise, they were pretty good, if a little bombastic!!!!!
  5. The Song Remains The Same being the major exception to the previous point!!!!!
  6. It's pretty obvious they weren't just a "metal" band!!!!!!!
  7. The bits about the hobbits are really funny!!!!!
BTW Sabbath were fine as well, and I dunno why people turns this into a John Vs Paul type argument, there are a lot of rock fans who like both bands...

Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 22:29 (twenty years ago) link

sorry, i still think that in through the out door was the best thing that they did (except for physical graffiti). matter of fact, i have little use for anything pre-houses of the holy, except for the more explicitly metal stuff -- i just don't like blooz.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

Has How the West Was Won changed any minds?

I grew up in the '70's and worshiped Zep. When The Song Remains the Same came out I skipped school to see it. It sucked. All those imaginings I had of how much Zep ruled were dashed on the over-blown histronics on Dazed and Confused, I mean God save me,a therimin solo?
I think that this left open the door to The Ramones and the Pistols for me. When Rotten pointed at the dinosaur, I saw it in my record collection.
So I have stood as a Zeppelin detractor for 20 years, then I heard How the West was Won, and ...ah-ha! Here was the band that I loved.

Speedy Gonzalas (Speedy Gonzalas), Wednesday, 31 December 2003 22:53 (twenty years ago) link

three months pass...
Most zepp fans would just go away and not say anything, just like page would. sabbath flat out sucks at everything. If u want metal style like that listen to rainbow. and one thing, zeppelin isn't metal, there a mega band super duper awesome stuff

Jack Lemming, Friday, 23 April 2004 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
did Led Zep predict the future of 2005?

1. when the levee breaks - New Orleans
water

2. Kashmir - Asian Earthquake
earth

what next? something related to the sun? the moon?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Rampant lemon squeezin' erupts in the Mideast!!!!!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

stay tuned for BUSTLES IN HEDGEROWS

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 13 October 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I tried to get into Led Zeppelin 20 years ago to make me seem like a credible rocker. I couldn't understand what the fuss was back then and I still can't now. But you know, I still pretended to like them back then to impress everybody. Which is something to think about the next time someone says "Zep rule!"

Brian D, Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I never feel like I impress anyone by saying Zeppelin rules. They're so universally acknowledged that there's no possible cred to be gained from proclaiming your love.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 17 December 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
oh man, i just gotta with led zeppelin if you seriously listen to them and i'm not just talking bout yeah i've heard Black dog, rock n' roll stairway to heaven ok those were very popular hard rock songs that the radio has flogged but everything, you'll notice that they are very versitile, and cover just about all of your queeries page produced in almost every possible way.

Go listen to this list of songs then come tell me zep aren't good, infact why noy go one better and learn to them one guitar then tell me they're not worth listening to man.
list:
Wanton Song
Heartbreaker
In the light
All of my love
houses of the holy
no quarter
achilles last stand
over the hills and far away

ha you won't evn get through Heartbreaker before you turn around and go "oh fuck that"
Page plays a unique scale at a speed you won't believe

Joe Rac, Monday, 15 May 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

Anyone going to try and get a ticket?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

lol shitty olden days bands

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Fucking Jason Bonham. I would only go if this dude plays drums.

Jordan, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Fucking Paolo Nutini more like. £125 and I've got to put up with that?

Ned Trifle II, Wednesday, 12 September 2007 18:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I heard Stairway on the radio today. Anybody who says it doesn't rule is a goddamn neo-rockist.

J0hn D., Wednesday, 12 September 2007 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

this was posted here Led Zeppelin set to reform but some details are starting to come out:

Tickets costing £125 ($254) will be allocated on a lottery basis through the Ahmettribute.com web site. Billboard.com understands there are no plans to broadcast or commercially release music from the show.

Putting an end to several months of speculation, it was confirmed today (Sept. 13) during a press conference at the O2 that the three surviving members of Led Zeppelin -- Robert Plant, Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones -- would reunite onstage for just the third time in 27 years. The drummer for the evening will be Jason Bonham, son of the band's original drummer John Bonham, who died from a heart attack in 1980.

"This is going to be the largest demand for one show in history," promoter Harvey Goldsmith said today, adding that Zeppelin will play a full two-hour set. "I can only tell from the buzz going around now, but it is really just filtering around the world. I feel there's going to be a huge amount of pressure (on tickets)."

The concert will follow the release of a new Atlantic/Rhino two-disc, 24-track best-of Zeppelin set, "Mothership," due Nov. 13 in the United States.

Bee OK, Thursday, 13 September 2007 03:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Word up to J0hn
Also an hour ago I put "In the Light" on a jukebox here in PDX and it sounded fab as all hell

Davey D, Thursday, 13 September 2007 06:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Great, another best of Zeppelin set. Just what the world needs.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 13 September 2007 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i'd rather jack

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe if Danny Wilson reformed I'd give a shit.

Dom Passantino, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link

argh, the second summer of love is here...

Mark G, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Great, another best of Zeppelin set. Just what the world needs.

Yeah, but if it includes "Flash Light" and "Dr. Funkenstein," that could be pretty cool.

Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 13 September 2007 15:43 (seventeen years ago) link

sean kingston does an homage to "d'yer maker" on his album - the time is right!!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I just heard on the radio that 20 MILLION people have entered the ticket lottery.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 13 September 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

ZEPPPELLLIN FUCK YEAHHHHHARRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHH

Steve Shasta, Thursday, 13 September 2007 17:08 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

So, anyone's been to the show tonight?

Is it true they played a Spice Girls cover?

Report please!

(this message may contain a lame attempt at spreading fake rumors)

StanM, Monday, 10 December 2007 23:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh, it's not finished yet, apparently. The NME's liveblogging it:

http://www.nme.com/news/led-zeppelin/33075

StanM, Monday, 10 December 2007 23:07 (sixteen years ago) link

'Good Times Bad Times'
'Ramble On'
'Black Dog'
'In My Time Of Dying'
'For Your Life'
'Trampled Under Foot'
'Nobody's Fault But Mine'
'No Quarter'
'Since I've Been Loving You'
'Dazed And Confused'
'Stairway To Heaven'
'The Song Remains The Same'
'Misty Mountain Hop'
'Kashmir'
'Whole Lotta Love'
'Rock And Roll'

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I listened to Zep II today. And it ruled.

ian, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Dud.

stephen, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link

You mad.

ian, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link

an awful, awful band.

stephen, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 00:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Led zeppelin fucked a girl with a shark. they also made some totally huge sounding music. also, they made some pretty bad music. seeing as they fucked that girl with the shark,though, they rule.

-- swastikas forever, Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:00 PM (6 years ago) Bookmark Link

stephen, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 00:58 (sixteen years ago) link

no-one in the office today, i'm putting on II now.

haitch, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link

hmmm... from that blog, awesome:

'For Your Life'

"That's not something you get to hear often these days, Led Zeppelin giving a song its live debut."

Stormy Davis, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link

zeppelin fucking rules

kamerad, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 02:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I <3 Mothership disc one

milo z, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link

No Levee, No Credibility

Pillbox, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link

I've heard one Daphne & Celeste song once and it had more of an impact on me than all the Zeppelin I've ever heard put together. I still never recognize Stairway to Heaven until 6 minutes in. I'm all for cruising around in battered pickup trucks smoking weed drinking beer and checking out the chicks, but gimme Kid Rock over Zeppelin any day.

good ol' 0tis, bringing a special level of wtf RONG to every thread he ever touched, r.i.p.

the original segment of this thread is a fucking embarassment

gershy, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link

classic. I was actually a bigger fan of the some of the later stuff too (Houses of the Holy is my favorite)....

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 03:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Still maintain that Page is 10x more interesting and influential as a producer than as a guitarist/writer guy

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link

bringing a special level of wtf RONG to every thread he ever touched

Hey, you'd know.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 06:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I already argued this on some other thread, but DUD.

Tape Store, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 06:48 (sixteen years ago) link

>>Has How the West Was Won changed any minds?

I grew up in the '70's and worshiped Zep. When The Song Remains the Same came out I skipped school to see it. It sucked. All those imaginings I had of how much Zep ruled were dashed on the over-blown histronics on Dazed and Confused, I mean God save me,a therimin solo?

I didn't skip school but I saw it with a beautiful girl who wore a hearing aid. Horrible. Boring. A handjob in the front seat of the car would have been better.

How the West Was One was a bit better because it was split over three CDs and you could skip the Dazed and Confused and Moby Dick stuff easier than you could with the vinyl. But it wasn't that much better.

Distinctions now erased by re-release of Song Remains The Same in twice-the-length deluxe and ultra-deluxe pack. "Mothership" comes in two versions. The long one and the really really long one, the latter which includes selections from the Led Zeppelin DVD which plays just like a CD. Of the latter, the best part is the concert from the Albert Hall in '70 which is still two hours and a bit repetitive.

Pagey and Percy are still laboring under the assumption that we really really really like to hear them play the lo-0-o-0-o-n-g-g-g blooz. While I don't always care for it, substantially -- they may be right.

"Immigrant Song" from Long Beach in 71 or 72 still kills as a perfect example of early heavy metal.

Gorge, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 06:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Plus, Pagey played obviously out of tune for the '88 TV reunion in honor of Atlantic Records. They played to about a billion, did Kashmir, and you mean to tell me the guy didn't have a backup guitar tuned to DADGAD?

"I'm a lazy sod!"

Gorge, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 06:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Classic, but they have this strange power to reduce highly intelligent people to just grunting and going "Yeah! Fucking sick dude!" a lot.

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 07:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Hey, you'd know.

-- Ned Raggett

lol oasis

gershy, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 07:14 (sixteen years ago) link

jones looks good for a sixty-something dude
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00402/snn1107lz682_402646a.jpg

gershy, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 07:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Why do Page & Plant both look like they're kissing someone?

StanM, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 07:51 (sixteen years ago) link

"Stairway to Heaven"

the crowd went into ecstasy while the first notes were being played.

didn't no one there see "Waynes World?!

Zeno, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 08:36 (sixteen years ago) link


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