IT'S BETTER THAN DRINKIN' ALONE: The Official ILM Track-by-Track BILLY JOEL Listening Thread

pretty much

Taking sides: Billy Job vs Blow Joel

TBH, pretty funky for a song called Storm Front!

No, not funky. In the least. What are you smoking?

this seems informed by "Sledgehammer" but way more plodding and basic

this song is not even in the same fucking league as Sledgehammer

"80s boomer soul" - yes. i wonder how many tracks like this got recorded in the wake of "sledgehammer" and "roll with it." i also wonder if the managers of acts like billy had to have hard, sit-down talks with them, explaining that while they were still popular, and even popular with some teenagers, they were no longer popular with the teenagers and it was time to start taking that Adult Contemporary exposure seriously.

― gimme the beet poison, free my soul (Doctor Casino),

cf. “We’ll Be Together”

fyi last night I had a dream that I had grown Bill Joel circa 1979 hair. My wife didn't like it. Then Billy Joel came over to tell me he was breaking up with me (?) and we couldn't be friends anymore.

so thanks a lot ILM

cf. “We’ll Be Together”

― ... (Eazy), Monday, November 27, 2017 7

I don't think it has much in common with yuppie blooze or yuppie soul – it's more crass contemporary craftsmanship.

Was just listening to it this weekend for the first time in decades...and at least through headphones, the organ and Jam/Lewis keebs made me connect it to "Sledgehammer" for the first time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49IAISROxVc

State of Grace, which Billy claims he's "always pictured Daryl Hall singing," is another power ballad. This time, Billy attempts to describe the barriers that can come up between couples in love, or something. Though not a single, it's been anthologized a couple of times on compilations themed around Joel's love songs. As Erlewine puts it in regard to one of these, "this 18-track collection reveals an odd truth about Joel: he didn't write all that many love songs."

I bet it sounds great in a CVS.

*yawn*

I bet it sounds great in a CVS.

― pplains, Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9

uh I will not have you impugn the programming at CVS

yeah this is not too memorable

I REEEEAAAAALLLLLLLY hate Mick Jones' production on these MOR rockers, lord is there a trio of rag-tag ruffians from Seattle who could infuse the music scene with some punk energy and mosh pit hooks?

Just once I wish Billy Joel would get to the "-ack-ack-ack-ack-ack-ack" part of Movin' Out and just keep going, walking out into the audience and getting up in people's faces, shouting it with terror-widened eyes and mounting desperation

— J Crowley (@jdcrowley) November 27, 2017

lol yes

Yeah, even when the songwriting on this album is a step up from The Bridge, the production kinda kills it for me. I also just think Phil was better at reining in Billy. One key move on The Stranger was to steer him away from overlong songs and superfluous instrumental breaks... that'd been breaking down since Nylon Curtain so now the typical song is 4:30 to 5:00 instead of 3:05 to 4:00. I feel like a stronger, old-fashioned producer's hand might have tightened up some of this stuff, or at least not added so much clutter to the mix. Failing that, I'd accept a busy or "overproduced" sound if it was at least someone with a distinctive voice (Lynne, Rodgers, Lange) so we'd at least get a new and memorable hybrid.

Richard Perry might've been a good fit for BJ, now that I think about it

Mick Jones makes this sound like an Aldo Nova comeback album from 88

uh I will not have you impugn the programming at CVS

Fine. Waiting at the elevator bay of a Courtyard Suites, hoping your partner finishes the check-in process before the doors open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGr9yJPKTwU

When In Rome, second-to-last track, is another Winwoody number, celebrating a couple's strength against the working world. It reminds me a bit of "Half A Mile Away."

BTW, over on the "Talks About..." clips, there's nothing said about this song, but if you skip to 8:40 you can hear Billy's remarks on the title track which make explicit the Peter Gabriel influence. Hearing Billy perform the song just on piano also makes me realize how much of it survives in Ben Folds's "Song For The Dumped."

oh man this defines "undistinguished." I don't hear Winwood so much as Billy Joel trying to sing "Tell Her About It" in the style of Steve Winwood.

Almost the entire song is outside his natural range, it sounds like aural constipation.

Hmmm - wonder if he was also losing his range faster than he was willing to admit.

A word about "Leningrad": in 1996, one of my oldest friends, a dancer, performed a number choreographed to "Leningrad." It involved unimaginative ballet and the dancers holding candles. Afterward she grumbled that she wished they'd used the candles to set fire to the choreographer.

Almost the entire song is outside his natural range, it sounds like aural constipation.

― attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, November 28, 2017 7:19 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this

catching up again:

"storm front": first time the production really grates, artificial textures meeting up with authentic composition in a really queasy symbiosis. aims for "sledgehammer," doesn't even hit huey lewis
"leningrad": man, this one is great, i think, the verse melody is just so lovely, and the vaporous production really serves the emotion billy's trying to get across
"state of grace": yeah i bet you imagine daryl hall singing this one billy. there's also a lot of cool stuff happening with the arrangement in this one e.g. the way the guitar solo just kinda happens, surprise! or, "i'm losing you!!!!" and all the instruments drop out except for synth and piano. lovely song i think (i see that no one agrees)
"when in rome": i thought we had left this particular billy voice behind :| also like... prob the filler-y-est thing i've heard on this record yet, par for the course for a penultimate billy joel album track i guess

haha "When in Rome" starts and I expect to hear "FEEEEATURING JAAAAN HOOOOKS! PHIIIIIL HARTMAAAAAN! JOHN LOOOOOOVITZ!"

I like 'State of Grace' - it's pretty. I kind of like adult contemporary mode Billy - same with 'She's Right On Time' from The Nylon Curtain.

^^ same

"State of Grace": it's been a while since I really liked an album track but I thought this one was great. Interesting chord changes, vibe reminiscent of H&O's "Say It Isn't So". The guitar solo is nice. I want him to sing a little more restrained though

"When in Rome": could be the most generic song he's ever put out. Everything here sounds like a hundred other songs, zero inspiration. And we get a cliched saying as the chorus, the cherry on top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo-QhF-aMFA

And So It Goes closes the album with a bit of a throwback; it'd been around since a 1984 demo, and was apparently inspired by Joel's relationship with Elle Macpherson. It is a sudden, almost jarring return to form.... whatever it's about, it sounds so much like a Billy Joel ballad that I am instantly back on board for the finish. The final US single from the album, it made it to #37 (#5 on Adult Contemporary). The video is a tasteful little live performance.

With numerous covers by acts you've never heard of, I can only single out the bagpipe rendition by Jori Chisholm.

https://img.discogs.com/V_UGCrRYXxZKXoLyCL4pZP6nPjk=/fit-in/600x605/filters:strip_icc():format(jpeg):mode_rgb():quality(90)/discogs-images/R-8487765-1506781837-3335.jpeg.jpg

upper miss OTMFM x 1,000 about the vibe of "When in Rome."

The horn-driven white-funk blandrock of SNL (and other late-night bands) is a bizarrely specific late-20th century thing that has very few real fans and very few real-world exponents. When we talk about that musical style, sometimes people say it's like Springsteen but that's only partly right. Bruce / E Street Band have more range and more modes than that; probably like half of their output sounds like this.

But "When in Rome" is totally an in-the-wild sighting of the SNL band sound. Good call UMS.

I love "And So it Goes" though I don't listen to it very often. Very close to my heart and bound up with my personal romantic history; I doubt I can see it straight on in a way that would allow me to make a decent post about it.

The horn-driven white-funk blandrock of SNL (and other late-night bands) is a bizarrely specific late-20th century thing that has very few real fans and very few real-world exponents

the other big place you would see it was in early 80s movies before they were willing to shell out for big licensed soundtracks (or films that didn't have the budget) so they would get these generic-ish "rock n' roll" bands for party scenes or club scenes that would play this digi-piano and fake horn driven type of shit...

classic example would be the the BusBoys, featured with "The Boys Are Back in Town" (no, not THAT song another one with the same title) and "Cleanin' Up the Town" from the Ghostbusters soundtrack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_BusBoys

but yeah So It Goes is throwing back to the Turnstiles, 52nd Street era all of a sudden....and Mick Jones doesn't get his meaty paws all over it production-wise...good song!

It might have gotten buried upthread, but the SNL connection goes deeper: Lenny Pickett, on sax, joined the SNL band in 1985 and became its co-director a decade later, upon the exit of G.E. Smith. I agree that as a genre, this stuff - good jazz players shackled to a feel-good-during-your-work-day rhythm section - can't possibly have many fans... it's incidental music and almost by design it works for bumpers going to commercial, not for a four-minute song.

I keep wanting the "like the Romans do" backing vocals to lead me into a more interesting song, specifically ... um, it's on Scary Monsters I think?

Overall this album has more good material than I was expecting, but is kind of an exhausting listen. I would still rather an entire record of keyboard-backed history raps, or a dramatic "unplugged" swing into being an AC balladeer along the lines of this last song (which I find quite pretty). The latter might be a huge disaster but at least he'd be forced to really develop his melodies again instead of burying their weakness in Big Boogie.

BRIDGE - Middle age ennui

STORM FRONT - deterioration and death

NEXT ALBUM... Journey into the spiritual hereafter.

...

COLD SPRING HARBOR - When you're young and your voice sounds like a chipmunk.

sorta realizing that the quality of albums across billy's career is pretty even! once the production settled with ramone, each is about half weighted with great songs, half weighted with filler or non-descript whatever. the only ones where great songs outweight the filler imo are glass houses and innocent man, which are incidentally the albums on which billy seems most energized and enthusiastic about what he's doing

"and so it goes" is an incredible song, my favorite closer that's not "keeping the faith." he so rarely lands an album well that it feels even more remarkable

Billy's unofficial cover of Bette Midler's "The Rose."

The Rose is better than any Billy Joel song imo

I would put The Stranger on the list of "majority good" albums, but it's close. Basically if he'd released half as many albums (one every other year rather than one a year), and only used the good songs he'd have an incredible and easy to recommend discography. But that's not how the business was structured back then, sadly.

like idk check this out. assume that any missing favorites become sweet b-sides and that any too-long running times are fixed by reining in some instrumental passages a la the single mixes of some of the big songs. some of these are insane sequences and obviously we're in fanfic territory but idk it's a pretty good haul of songs and most folks would not know to miss "rosalinda's eyes" (though i would).

Piano Spring Harbor

Travelin' Prayer
Everybody Loves You Now
Why Judy Why
Falling of the Rain
Captain Jack

She's Got A Way
Piano Man
You Look So Good To Me
You're My Home
Stop In Nevada
Tomorrow Is Today

Turnstile Serenade

Say Goodbye To Hollywood
Summer, Highland Falls
James
The Mexican Connection
New York State of Mind

Prelude/Angry Young Man
The Entertainer
Root Beer Rag
I've Loved These Days
Miami 2017 (Seen the Lights Go Out on Broadway)

52nd Stranger

Movin' Out (Anthony's Song)
The Stranger
Honesty
Just The Way You Are
Stiletto

Big Shot
My Life
Vienna
Only The Good Die Young
She's Always A Woman
Scenes From An Italian Restaurant

Glass Curtains

You May Be Right
Sometimes A Fantasy
Don't Ask Me Why
It's Still Rock 'n' Roll To Me
Close to the Borderline

Sleeping with the Television On
Laura
All For Leyna
She's Right On Time
Pressure

("Allentown" and "Goodnight Saigon" debut on the Greatest Hits, becoming Billy's "September" and "Slip Slidin' Away" respectively.)

An Innocent Man

(leave alone. if you really hate "easy money" or w/e, just but reach into the vaults for whatever pretty-good album track I cut above that could be passably reinvented in the style of, say, Elvis, Lesley Gore, or a young Stevie Wonder...)

Bridge of Storms

Running On Ice
I Go To Extremes
This Is The Time
The Downeaster "Alexa"
And So It Goes

A Matter of Trust
We Didn't Start the Fire
That's Not Her Style
Baby Grand
The Night Is Still Young

"And So It Goes" is one of those tunes that I heard a lot in summer '90 and it's disappeared.

Meanwhile....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ccx6Osu1x34

House of Blue Light was the b-side to "We Didn't Start the Fire." Not to be confused with the classic "House of Blue Lights," it did not appear on an album until the My Lives box, which also dubbed in the harmonica heard in the YouTube above. The harmonica-free single version is out there on YouTube but only in awful lo-fi quality. I trust you can live without it.

Dr., I applaud your alternate-universe Jilly Boel who had a career of surer hits but fewer records. I believe I would like that artist quite a lot. You are also right that the industry wasn't set up for that kind of career (and I am not sure Our Billy would have been satisfied with that release schedule anyway).

(Or... maybe not. Maybe when presented with the album "Glass Curtains," might we have just recalibrated our expectations and liked our favorite few and snoozed through others? Impossible to know.)

Because I hate River of Dreams, I am not sure how much more I will be able to say in this thread. In case I don't get a chance to say so, I will take this opportunity to express deep thanks to the good Doctor and all the other participants. It's certainly been a ride.

Don't mind this one so much, but it's Stockholm Syndrome now. I'm happy that it at least sounds organic, compared to the synthed-up background vox and click tracks we've been hearing.

And not a bad twofer list, DC. Turnstile Serenade not a bad album name either.