I'd say your right, Realiti is kind of the zenith of the Visions style whereas Art Angels shed the buried-vocal feel in its quest for high pop.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 20:28 (six years ago) link
These are the rare and unreleased songs:
GloamHam MermaidThe Crazy DoctorWorld BrainBehaviourThe EyewhoknoidontnoVoignamiremancipated reality vixenFifteen Minutes ToBlack HairUnknown Track (unplugged)(Things That Were Not)Unknown Track #02Saturn PrincessFragments of The FutureYa vas LyubilDavidSleepwalkingGo (SXM Version)REALiTi (Demo)
Surely at least an EP connecting Visions and Art Angels can be made from these (Go and Realiti as singles)
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:32 (six years ago) link
i get the feeling she's made a purposeful decision to not release that material, for whatever reason
― treeship 2, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
Iirc she didn’t feel Realiti was that good (which is bonkers) or didn’t feel like it belonged on her newfound art pop sound for artangels. I suppose that applies to all of those... she didn’t feel like they were part of the new era.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:37 (six years ago) link
maintain that album version >>>>
― imago, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link
Here’s a link to a googledrive with the unreleased songs in case you want to hear:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimes/comments/4bxkuj/all_grimes_unreleased_songs_in_one_album/
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
Moka do you have mp3s of those?
― calstars, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 21:43 (six years ago) link
Follow that link I posted. I think they should be there but I’m posting from my cellphone and that link is a year old, it used to have them.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
Doh. Thank you
― calstars, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link
Link seems to still work ✌🏻
― calstars, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:16 (six years ago) link
whoa, crazy list. i had no idea she had performed so many of these songs live (or are they leaked demos?)
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:54 (six years ago) link
Thanks Moka!!
― kolakube (Ross), Thursday, 28 December 2017 00:04 (six years ago) link
There’s also this kind of charming post that shows how perfectly amateurish Visions and Grimes as a producer was:
http://web.archive.org/web/20120515000000*/actuallygrimes.tumblr.com
Goes to show if you have talent and passion for what you want to achieve you can make a lot with so little.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 28 December 2017 00:36 (six years ago) link
which post in specific? that just directs to the wayback machine.
I am happy to learn that Eevee was her fav Pokemon though. So many awesome Eeveelutions.
― how's life, Thursday, 28 December 2017 00:55 (six years ago) link
the reason she gave for not releasing the David-era material was that it was too depressing and she didn't want to tour it
― ufo, Thursday, 28 December 2017 01:26 (six years ago) link
Oh sorry wrong link.I meant this one were she discussed how to make/record music
https://web.archive.org/web/20150831081620/http://actuallygrimes.tumblr.com/post/44357081528/how-to-make-music-for-almost-free-u-should
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 28 December 2017 02:12 (six years ago) link
re: depressing material, it sounds like visions sleep/food deprivation binge was a heavy time too..
can't begrudge her tendency towards lighter material with art angels
― kolakube (Ross), Thursday, 28 December 2017 02:37 (six years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2012/apr/28/grimes-visions-montreal
Hmmm might have to try that
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 28 December 2017 03:45 (six years ago) link
Skeptical of any value added by providing finer sampling of her stylistic evolution via the release of 'tweener songs. more fun to embrace the myth of the artistic step function.
― Scatperson (ski-ba-bop-ba-dop-whore.) (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 28 December 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
i need all the information
― treeship 2, Thursday, 28 December 2017 18:07 (six years ago) link
there's not enough
― treeship 2, Thursday, 28 December 2017 18:08 (six years ago) link
This fan edit of David might be the closest to a studio version we’ll get:
https://m.soundcloud.com/littlemonsteralejandro2/david-fanmade-studio
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 28 December 2017 19:43 (six years ago) link
haha that tumblr post is fantastic
― niels, Friday, 29 December 2017 06:10 (six years ago) link
this wasn't bad though I like the tegan and sara original more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv1H85AxYiM
― akm, Friday, 29 December 2017 22:23 (six years ago) link
speaking of the shift from her "two styles" one could make a case that visions was the intermediary from the extremely depressive, haunting stuff she was releasing pre-visions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBJ-LPPcAqwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vulvMVhDqeU
i love this era of her music too. and the shadow or memory of this sound definitely enriches my appreciation for the aerodynamic sound of art angels. it emerged from the depths.
― treeship 2, Sunday, 31 December 2017 13:05 (six years ago) link
Easy to forget also the immense pressure of public/commercial/critical expectations after Visions. Remember the backlash against “Go”? Oy
― flappy bird, Sunday, 31 December 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
https://clips.twitch.tv/OilyDistinctPistachioChocolateRain
― ufo, Tuesday, 23 January 2018 02:33 (six years ago) link
Fuck
. https://t.co/2DJAbbveIh— Grimes (@Grimezsz) February 15, 2018
i'm not allowed to say but there r people involved in my career who would rather destroy me than build something. indie music is more about egos than money. if u hurt someone's ego, they don't mind forgoing what you are potentially worth to them to take u down— Grimes (@Grimezsz) February 15, 2018
― Moodles, Thursday, 15 February 2018 23:49 (six years ago) link
what the fuck.
― how's life, Thursday, 15 February 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link
this would be at 4AD still?
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Thursday, 15 February 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
Goddamn wtf
― flappy bird, Friday, 16 February 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
her twitter bio was 'makin beats nu album soon' yesterday and now it's just 'makin beats' too :/
― ufo, Friday, 16 February 2018 02:25 (six years ago) link
This is really naive I guess, but I don’t understand why someone like grimes can’t just release music on bandcamp under a pay what you want model. Then just tour a bunch of sold out 10,000 capacity clubs? I suppose it’s proooobably a bit more complicated than that.
― i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 February 2018 02:43 (six years ago) link
i imagine she's locked into a contract that prohibits that very thing
― hoooyaaargh it's me satan (voodoo chili), Friday, 16 February 2018 02:45 (six years ago) link
Why would they prevent her from releasing an album?
― treeship 2, Friday, 16 February 2018 03:47 (six years ago) link
She pissed off someone at the label and is being punished for it. Typical record biz bullshit.
― Moodles, Friday, 16 February 2018 04:39 (six years ago) link
My guess is she had a 3 record contract with 4AD and wanted to move to a major and they’re not thrilled
― flappy bird, Friday, 16 February 2018 04:58 (six years ago) link
can't she just do an album of acoustic van halen covers to see out her contract
― imago, Friday, 16 February 2018 10:30 (six years ago) link
― Moodles, Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:39 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It’s insane that this is a semi-common occurence in the music industry. Isn’t Grimes the biggest star on 4AD’s roster?
― treeship 2, Friday, 16 February 2018 12:25 (six years ago) link
The National and Tune-Yards have both had albums with bigger American numbers, but yeah, she's up there.
― how's life, Friday, 16 February 2018 12:29 (six years ago) link
I don't know why I limited that to US sales, because The National's apparently big everywhere.
― how's life, Friday, 16 February 2018 12:32 (six years ago) link
Art Angels charted surprisingly low for how popular she is on YouTube, she gets very large amounts of views for an indie act there
― ufo, Friday, 16 February 2018 12:40 (six years ago) link
She’s a more culturally significant figure than anyone involved in those other acts though. For the 4AD brand she has to be valuable.
― treeship 2, Friday, 16 February 2018 12:42 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I can't picture National fans tweeting at the label telling them to go fuck themselves either. https://twitter.com/search?q=4ad%20grimes&src=tyah
Grimes has some passionate fans. I imagine if the National were to deliver some bad news about an upcoming album, their fans would just keep clapping along regardless.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5zsb3iZx03pCRi8vSi/giphy.gif
― how's life, Friday, 16 February 2018 14:05 (six years ago) link
Does 4AD have a history with coming into conflict w/ artists?
― Simon H., Friday, 16 February 2018 14:10 (six years ago) link
is there anything that makes people think it is her label specifically? maybe she is just fed up w an abusive industry as a whole
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 February 2018 15:16 (six years ago) link
I mean the industry as a whole can't literally stop her from releasing music. Also she responded to someone who said it was because of "label/management reasons" with "no problems w management", so.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 16 February 2018 15:21 (six years ago) link
“Yeah but i’m solving it. i just have to take one last hit. it sucks, but i’d rather not make fans suffer thru more unexplained drama. theres some srsly fucked up and crazy shit going behind the scenes in my career this whole time i’ve never spoken of to protect myself legally.”
she tweeted and deleted this earlier. i know she had a bunch of problems with Arbutus, shame there seems to be something with 4AD now.
― ufo, Friday, 16 February 2018 15:51 (six years ago) link
lol. I missed this one last night.
hahaha ha. don't commit crimes for grimes --- i can solve , been thru worse 💀💀— Grimes (@Grimezsz) February 16, 2018
― how's life, Friday, 16 February 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link