Grimes/Claire Boucher thread

i think it does if the people in this thread are theorizing about blame and why this could be happening

smell what i smell? a thread that's about to get good

probably best not to open that can of worms with that one, since this is a thread she may have actually seen before.

let's speculate blindly about things we know nothing about

anyway i hope the issue is resolved whatever it may be, bc her next one is my most anticipated album.

she definitely comes off like someone who could be abrasive and wilful but she's an excellent artist and yeah basically whatever it takes for her to get the next album out

Lots of people go through different creative partnerships as a way of sparking inspiration and growing, I don't know why this by itself would be a sign of, well, what?

Her music is so good. I’m glad she doesn’t compromise.

The label blocking the release of her music is a crime against the public.

Treeship and Jordan otm

I wonder how many times in recent years labels have bounced things back at the artist saying the material they’re given isn’t what they want to release. It seems like things are a little looser now, but I’m guessing that’s kind of an illusion because not everyone wants to mention it in public

not sure how cool I am with the inference of the sterotype "this woman is difficult to work with for being demanding" when actually most of these stories turn out to just be women wanting the clarity of their artistic vision executed properly

how do you feel about Billy Corgan

I wonder how many times in recent years labels have bounced things back at the artist saying the material they’re given isn’t what they want to release. It seems like things are a little looser now, but I’m guessing that’s kind of an illusion because not everyone wants to mention it in public

― mh, Friday, 16 February 2018 20:44 (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not sure how cool I am with the inference of the sterotype "this woman is difficult to work with for being demanding" when actually most of these stories turn out to just be women wanting the clarity of their artistic vision executed properly

― boxedjoy, Friday, 16 February 2018 21:17 (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

RIP Sky Ferreira

not sure how cool I am with the inference of the sterotype "this woman is difficult to work with for being demanding" when actually most of these stories turn out to just be women wanting the clarity of their artistic vision executed properly

― boxedjoy, Saturday, February 17, 2018 10:17 AM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

given how she's spoken on how male producers have literally tried to use their position to coerce her into sex i am /especially/ wary of people playing the "this woman's issues with the industry must be because she's demanding/hystreical/[insert other personality issue with misogynistic overtones here]" card against her in particular

Spicy thread

those tweets have been deleted since.

In any case she made it clear Roc Nation (whatever the name) has been supporting her and she seems very grateful for their presence in this moment. She's hinting problems might come from earlier in her youth, and knowing how rocky her relationship to Arbutus was, it might stem from that.

Ugh I hate social network drama but really wish she would release new music. Claire if you ever read this: I LOVE YOU but you need to stop posting half truths on twitter. Either tell the whole version or stop being passive agressive and solve that personal shit with lawyers behind the curtain.

she said she's working on solving it and doesn't want to make fans wait, hope it works out for her

Well then why involve the fans at all? Either drop the name of the target for all fans to go rabid on it or move your fnger from the trigger. Abstractly venting on twitter is spineless and I’m fucking done with it.

harsh

venting on twitter could actually galvanize 4AD or whoever tf it is into coming to their senses. also who cares. "Removed Bookmark from Thread," wait til the new album is out

"spineless"... lol. what tf is she supposed to do? "abstractly venting" is literally what twitter is for

theres a million possibilities who knows

SZA complained on twitter then her album came out & it was dope

This isn’t specifically about her, but really fuck passive agressive comments on social networks, if she has a problem with someone tell it to his/her face or involve the lawyers. Everything else is a low shot.

This isn’t specifically about her, but really fuck passive agressive comments on social networks, if she has a problem with someone tell it to his/her face or involve the lawyers. Everything else is a low shot.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:33 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hon, you must be pretty naive if you think a purposeful enough face-to-face conversation is guaranteed to make a label exec see an artist's side or that filing a suit isn't still as costly for an independent artist as it is for everyone else (and perfectly capable of failing and/or further pissing off the label she's still signed to)

"abstract venting" is probably the only way she can inform fans/media about what's happening and take some sort of course of action without hurting her career or getting the lawyers sent after her herself

also i'm still reeling over the first post in here describing a visions cut as "electro-Frankie Valli"

like bitch what kind of shade are you trying to throw

tbh maybe she did say it to someone's face and it's gone nowhere and now she's venting a bit on twitter. no big deal. and no idea what happened, either. but i don't think she's a spineless type.

raging online about intractable situations w companies is a time-honoured tradition

Also accusing people by name on the internet, if she doesnt have enough grounds to file suit, might not be the best idea and keeping it abstract would be the better option.

I mean, say what you want about Grimes' social media style, but while us greybeards are over here tutting in our armchairs or whatever, there's a teenager from Jakarta mailing a ripe piece of durian to 4ADs offices. They gave up being good when they declared a state of war, imo.

Also welcome to the convo, heliogabberlus. I think an early rock 'n' roll influence is very apparent in Oblivion although whether it's Frankie Valli could be up for debate. No shade.

Actually, I remember my first time listening to Visions and being confused that there wasn't more doo-wop. lol

i'll admit it's been a little while since i had a proper front-to-back listen, but the main reason the valli comparison struck me a certain way was, besides not being able to remember any sonic or compositional stuff that'd ever triggered an "ah yes, this makes me think of what i've heard of frankie valli", the main think i associate with valli is the... distinctive (which is a polite way of saying i'm frankly not a fan, but each to their own) voice

and that's never something i've thought of claire's vocal style being that close to. the video(?) meant to be embedded in the first post just shows up as a bunch of blank white space for me, and it's nearly 1 am so i can't be arsed googling what the "lead leak" was

vanessa gives me 4seasons vibes

don't call people "hon" heliogabberlus

unless you're a waitress serving someone at a diner then it's fine

if it's really as simple as 4AD bouncing it back to her because it's not what they want to release... that's fucking weird. maybe i have a different impression of grimes's position in the culture than is accurate, but i thought she was pretty much widely understood to be one of the most exciting artists working today, the sort of person who should be given wide latitude. it's not like art angels was an obvious follow up to what she was doing before -- she completely transformed her sound on that album and it was an immediate classic.

i think there's more to it than that, she'd tweeted about playing new music for the label and getting a positive reaction two months ago

an immediate classic

No. My hope is that her next album will mark at least a partial return to the sound of Visions.

i mean, that opinion is just objectively wrong

i wouldn't be disappointed if she went down either path or if she totally changed directions. i think the energy of art angels retrospectively puts the gloomier visions in a new light and improves it.

Meh, suit yourself. Art Angels was too upbeat for my taste.

hoping her sound gets even more extroverted just so chris ott feels more upset that she's not making halfaxa anymore

"Nightmusic" was and is peak Grimes for me

Label woes could mean anything. Sucks that Arbutus has the rights to release and re-release records that she doesn't want to have re-released. [Old label] refused to release my first two records to [new label] until the contract expired, and then when the contract expired, they summarily retracted the records from streaming services. Now they're nowhere. Sucks. I still love those guys and e-mail them on their birthdays tho

I think "electro-Frankie Valli" is a pretty astute description of "Oblivion"--it's got some version of that struttin' beat you hear on early Four Seasons songs like "Big Girls Don't Cry" and "Walk Like A Man."

if it's really as simple as 4AD bouncing it back to her because it's not what they want to release... that's fucking weird.

Oh. That’s pretty different then.

This isn’t specifically about her, but really fuck passive agressive comments on social networks, if she has a problem with someone tell it to his/her face or involve the lawyers. Everything else is a low shot.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, February 17, 2018 8:33 PM (fifty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hon, you must be pretty naive if you think a purposeful enough face-to-face conversation is guaranteed to make a label exec see an artist's side or that filing a suit isn't still as costly for an independent artist as it is for everyone else (and perfectly capable of failing and/or further pissing off the label she's still signed to)

"abstract venting" is probably the only way she can inform fans/media about what's happening and take some sort of course of action without hurting her career or getting the lawyers sent after her herself

"hon, you must be pretty naive" is the worst way to start a discussion, if that's actually what you wanted to do.

anyway, i agree with thrust of moka's argument. grimes is great and i can't wait to hear the new album, but posting "ugh, the worst thing happened today, ugh ugh....but i can't tell you what's going on" or whatever on twitter is super annoying. it's somewhat annoying when some relative or acquaintance does it, but at least you could hypothetically reach out to that person privately and ask them if everything is ok. it's more annoying when a well-known musician does it because they're inviting everyone to blindly speculate on what's going on, knowing that no one will be able to figure out what's going on.

unsurprisingly, right after she posted all that, people immediately started speculating that it was her management's fault, or roc nation's fault, so she had to clarify that it wasn't anything to do with them. oooook, always fun to invite rampant speculation and then quash rumors in your replies.

none of it's a big deal or unforgivable or anything, it's just weird to pretend that she was forced to do it by the situation or whatever when there are a million other ways she could have let people know the general situation.

counterpoint: it's really not annoying at all