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there are more chords, key changes, and tempo changes in The Beths' "Future Hates Me" than there are in the Cardiacs' entire discography

king sucks

I don't want to think about this, fortunately I made a bot for it. let's see what it comes up with:

"Is This It is the sonic equivalent of ghosting."

There were, at minimum, a couple dozen albums released in '67 which are better than Sgt. Pepper.

That's not controversial.

R.E.M. is actually really boring

wow, thread finally delivers

I liked R.E.M. a lot in high school and they are all smart, nice guys with good taste but man, I just never want to listen to them anymore. Somewhere around Monster I lost all interest. the limited guitar playing and lack of sonic depth, the boring arrangements, the mewling vocals, the poor production choices and terrible mandolin playing and clunky videos, their catalog feels very inert to me.

like at best I can muster a "yeah that song's okay" for a number of tracks. but a whole album? ew, just never in the mood.

Most bands are boring tbh

all bands are excellent

^^^^

rt

not all bands

bandsplaining

All duos are terrible.

All bands except R.E.M. are excellent

more like blands amirite

Any musician who has not experienced - I do not say understood, but truly experienced - the necessity of dodecaphonic music is USELESS.

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

All duos are terrible.

All solo artists are cowards.

lol

All trios are Norwegian.

All ILM posters are liars

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 1:03 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have a constantly running loop of that lebowski clip in my head, but never more than last night when I was in a duane reade after hell commute that was playing take it easy

jmm otm

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"i can't tell you why" is an amazing song but i can't join you here just yet

the eagles are good

i can't tell you why is really good

other eagles songs i like: hotel california, new kid in town, try and love again, take it easy, peaceful easy feeling, witchy woman

The High Llamas were (are?) a million times better than their 'parents', the Beach Boys.

that's not controversial, it's just wrong

the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.

High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.

I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh

No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.

xps

There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.

The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.

Can't think of any.

Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.

Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?

Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.

that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome

Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.

It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."

Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM

We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.

you could make a dud list for most anybody

i remember Howard Stern once had a guy on who claimed it was ok to drink your own urine and he did it daily, so they had the guy pee in a cup and drink it to prove it. it was pretty clear he was not very used to drinking his own urine.

music is a fine hobbie for kids and teenagers but should be outgrown (outside of casual interest) early in adulthood

yes

99% of the music criticism on ILM is actually bad sociology

they were on sst so they probably never got any money from new sales either

It’s a little unfair how little attention Bread gets when you have people going nuts over all kind of 70s soft rock private press yachtZee

Plus David Gates has genuine Hipster Cred from working with Beefheart and the Monkees!

re:legitimacy of slovs on spotify-
umm, lamentable truth indeed. i'm just stoked the albums are *a little* more accessible. ums also otm re:their most likely never seen sst residuals. the band should get the new alliance stuff reissued at least (mostly because "sic/think" is secretly their best song and dammit, what a mood!).

tangent: let me tell you a little story about how i purchased a second hand slovenly album from a discogs seller that just happened to have the same return address as the drag city hq.

also yes, david gates/bread clearly the best of the "classic soft rockers you're gonna hear eventually if you spend any time in a cvs or walgreens." i like america better than all of 'em - especially "muskrat love"!

(is that last part controversial? or just unpopular?)

America have some jams.

xp re slovenly: weird that Thinking Of Empire is missing from spotify as all their other SST albums are up. it might be my favourite of their albums and may have the most appeal for your average indie/post-punk fan?

America can have some pretty boring stuff on their albums. The singles are kinda the best stuff. I'd rather listen to Barclay James Harvest. who i adore.

plus, the original "Muskrat Love" is best. this album is 100% bangers.

https://i.discogs.com/zxZUzW1YW-tL2ASUizbO97TbSxqmBo14MUSKftq2QRc/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTM3ODM3/OTMtMTM0NDI2MjAz/MC0zMjI0LmpwZWc.jpeg

xpost nick-
yep, ToE not being there is a damn shame. +i def agree: it's the best gateway/intro to them; go backwards for more darkish new wave-y sounds, keep going for the fullbore mathjazzartpunkcore of stuff that followed.

+i mean, america covered john martyn. doing something right at least some of the time if yer doin that imo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWsPXxIGTkg
america - "head+heart" (1972)

those harmonies. always nothing but♡♡♡♡♡

as for my america controp,

their best song is a tie between two album cuts that just happen to be next to each other:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR4j0m7Ya_8
america - "submarine ladies"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8SvAf4ua5s
america - "it's life"

both from the middle of side one of 1973's hat trick, which is also their best album. easily.

also the title track on that album is them doing a really good imitation of "suite judy" or "country girl." kinda sorta rips in that second section.

it feels weird that i wasn't aware of any of the members of america, not even their names.

they're all named after fault lines

a band with no name...

to be fair, i have owned 10 Barclay James Harvest records and i don't know anyone's name in that band either.

Steve Harwell is the American Jarvis Cocker.

(xp) Not even Woolly Wolstenholme?

y'all got me to finally listen to the Best of BreadI found in a crate on Braddock Ave in Pittsburgh 28 years ago, along with many other pristine copies of yacht rock classics. I really only listened to the Aja from that lot. I knew I'd recognize a bunch of the songs, but Bread didn't do total-earworm hooks, did they? I loved that "It don't matter to me" song when I was a kid. I'd sullenly march around the playground alone, repeating "it don't matter to me" like it was the only line in the song, when not picked for kickball or something. They remind me of the Moody Blues more than I expected, but maybe that's the general production values. America's greatest hits was also found that day, will compare.

America wasn't cutting singles like this in 1957. so pretty!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbzTqvFHEwI

America wasn't writing songs like this in 1963. best song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC5GRbfXyPw

America wasn't producing and writing sweet soul singles like this in 1964.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MRaJg6GVLA

bullshit

you could make an amazing 5-CD box of the stuff he produced/arranged/wrote/performed before you even get to Bread. pretty amazing career.

plus, david gates made all those cool surf records with the wrecking crew. did America make cool surf records with glenn campbell and leon russell and hal blaine? i don't think they did.

https://i.discogs.com/rZYjhEmORe7x2LPjdepPyCR9eY0qX_a3bPNd6b3coxU/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:597/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTIzOTg4/MjktMTYxNzczMDYy/OC0yMjcyLmpwZWc.jpeg

https://i.discogs.com/RuMZQZCn5l1gNbA1dIR_fFXVL2PDpW_ZhGZFsgc2q0M/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTI1ODU4/NjUtMTU3MTU4MjYy/OS0xMTEwLmpwZWc.jpeg

https://i.discogs.com/IXN0tE8mBWtc40aJXHN6HQ_EKvrbhG9s3tcD7CCmZ_4/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:600/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTI5NDc3/NDItMTUyNDQ0MzM4/Ni02MTY2LmpwZWc.jpeg

actually i have no idea what america was doing before america.

back when david gates and leon russell were the fencemen.

https://i.discogs.com/HBJ0bCxE4eUmu64KRbXbh7rbWINkjB98W84fUW5AiF0/rs:fit/g:sm/q:90/h:600/w:591/czM6Ly9kaXNjb2dz/LWRhdGFiYXNlLWlt/YWdlcy9SLTE1NjQ2/ODA5LTE1OTUxNjc2/NjQtMjUyNS5qcGVn.jpeg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdKiOocYCk4

enh, you're right. dewey and the gang were certainly not songwriting studio dwelling pros. they were coffee shoppers who somehow got lucky enough to get george martin's attention occasionally.

Good collection from Australia:

David Gates - The Early Years 1962-1967

Url: https://www.discogs.com/release/9963232-David-Gates-The-Early-Years-1962-1967

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOHe8uJXwAAxc3_?format=jpg&name=900x900

am i doing this right

most people on this board will agree with you

i've never listened to the chronic. i'm more of a nate dogg fan. i love those other ones though.

i've never listened to doggystyle either. i'm more of a Above The Law kinda person. i do like "gin and juice".

that looks to be an excerpt from the list "boring ass mainstream classics that i don't want to ever hear or hear about ever again ever"

but ya i'd agree with those rankings, generally speaking.

The only one of those albums I've heard front to back is 1989, so I have no idea how I'd rank them, but The Chronic is the one I'd be most likely to listen to, so I guess I'd put that on top.

i do v much appreciate the based controp energy of putting the beatles immediately below all of those because fuck the stupid fucking bratles.

that wasn't a typo, this is the controp thread 8)

xp re slovenly: weird that Thinking Of Empire is missing from spotify as all their other SST albums are up. it might be my favourite of their albums and may have the most appeal for your average indie/post-punk fan?

Thinking of Empire was never released on CD, which probably has something to do with it. Though there was a Saint Vitus album (I want to say the second one, Hallows Victim?) that suddenly appeared on CD a few years ago when Greg realised he could sell a few, I guess?

the band should get the new alliance stuff reissued at least (mostly because “sic/think” is secretly their best song and dammit, what a mood!).

Well, that’s why I did a little shopping around on Discogs a year into the pandemic and got some near-mint copies of their three New Alliance records for pretty reasonable prices (and a not-quite-mint copy of Drive It Home, Abbernathy).

do people actually prefer 1989 (taylor's version) to 1989 or are they just kissing the ring?

David Gates WAY more talented than Dr. Dre.

wrecking crew -vs- world class wreckin cru

hollywood -vs- compton fiiiiiiiite!!!

xp that made me lol, too. it's the worst (Taylor's Version) relative to the original to my ears.

wrecking crew -vs- world class wreckin cru

hollywood -vs- compton fiiiiiiiite!!!

― scott seward, Tuesday, May 21, 2024 10:51 AM (thirty-two minutes ago)

Had to rack my brain but Jimmy Zavala played with both Jeff Skunk Baxter (on RStewart's Tonight I'm Yours) as well as with Dr. Dre on Efil4zaggin.

its a small world after all.

Best of Bread much bester than America's Greatest Hits. America is all glopped up with CSN harmonies, not the Neil whine of the biggest hit. Best of Bread also has that old San Diego Padres typeface that I love. But across both records, so many gentle exhortations to lay down together, I gotta pour out the snifter of Harvey's Bristol Cream and ruin the shag carpet in front of the fireplace and leave for now.

Best of Bread also has that old San Diego Padres typeface that I love

b a d r e

i didn't realize that the guy from the avalanches went on to be in bread (to say nothing of all the other connections). i love learning about shit like that. thanks scott. i will report back if i end up liking bread.

thought being in bread involved how you came into the world

scott you should listen to the chronic

co-sign would watch a first reaction vid