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I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"i can't tell you why" is an amazing song but i can't join you here just yet

the eagles are good

i can't tell you why is really good

other eagles songs i like: hotel california, new kid in town, try and love again, take it easy, peaceful easy feeling, witchy woman

The High Llamas were (are?) a million times better than their 'parents', the Beach Boys.

that's not controversial, it's just wrong

the only good Beach Boy was/is Mike Love.

High Llamas relationship to the Beach Boys was always tangential at best (and related to a very brief period/narrow slice of their catalog) and was way over-emphasized in their press materials.

I would take even the low points of M.I.U. over the High Llamas tbh

No artist at all has a "New Jersey" - a huge event album that ultimately feels a bit hollow & signals a career decline

You could say that about any band that has the opportunity to develop someone else's idea further, if it works for you.

xps

There are a bunch of good Eagles songs. Every one of them was released as a single, so a compilation is all you need. There's not one Eagles album worth listening to all the way through. The Long Run comes closest.

The Beach Boys have, like, two good songs ("Good Vibrations" and "Don't Worry Baby"), and I could happily go the rest of my life without hearing either one of them ever again.

Can't think of any.

Black metal sucks. Even the "good" stuff is bad enough that it's worth handing the whole genre over to the Nazis and walking away. Let 'em have it.

Does it have to be a controversial opinion that we actually hold or are we allowed to just say something we think might wind people up?

Saying a band or genre you don't like sucks isn't controversial or even a wind-up tbh.

that late-90s Brian Wilson worship was so tiresome

Counterpoint: at a Silver Jews show, D. Berman did a sneering routine of saying, "What's the big deal with Brian Wilson? He's so overrated," etc.; which was equally annoying.

It could have been John Prine who wrote "Margaritaville."

Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.

I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good

― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM

We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.

you could make a dud list for most anybody

i remember Howard Stern once had a guy on who claimed it was ok to drink your own urine and he did it daily, so they had the guy pee in a cup and drink it to prove it. it was pretty clear he was not very used to drinking his own urine.

music is a fine hobbie for kids and teenagers but should be outgrown (outside of casual interest) early in adulthood

yes

99% of the music criticism on ILM is actually bad sociology

music is a fine hobbie for kids and teenagers but should be outgrown (outside of casual interest) early in adulthood

There's music for adults and music for children/teenagers. Many adults refuse to a) admit this and b) learn the difference.

apollonian >>> dionysian

xp - rude

90% of piano ballads suck

I heard "Take It to the Limit" on the radio last night and man that song sounds great, I'm pro-Eagles now

This is very, very good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhYXLVYQJ8

controversial opinion: randy meisner sings "take it to the limit" better than etta james

Retro soul covers of rock songs (Charles Bradley's version of Black Sabbath's "Changes" comes immediately to mind) frequently suck, and are mostly championed by people who don't want to be seen liking the original version.

we definitely need another one of these threads

lots of opinions about people here instead of music what a surprise

*falls off high horse into trough of metallica blackened whiskey*

Probably not controversial, but have just realised that most of the music I don't really get, from The Eagles and Steely Dan through to 80s hardcore punk, yacht rock, hair metal, grunge and most of the US indie music of the last 25 years, it's all straight white American guys with guitars.

Kenny G and Chuck Mangione are the two most influential and important jazz artists of the 20th century and it isn't close.

Yeah, but only if you consider 'important' and 'influential' to be synonyms.

xxp humblebrag much, lol

didn't mean it that way, honest! I listen to a lot of music by straight non-American white guys with guitars for example.

man i love Steely Dan so much

Probably not controversial, but have just realised that most of the music I don't really get, from The Eagles and Steely Dan through to 80s hardcore punk, yacht rock, hair metal, grunge and most of the US indie music of the last 25 years, it's all straight white American guys with guitars.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, September 7, 2018 5:02 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agreed 100%, but I've known this basically all my life

three chords and the truth, that's all you really need

that's a quote about classic country songwriting, tbf

Joy Division was the best band of all times. In the early days of ILM this was less controversial, I think.

what is "yacht rock"

http://www.yachtrock.com/yacht-or-nyacht-jay-gradient/

iirc early ilm was full of very clever ppl saying ian curtis sounded like kermit the frog and that their lyrics were bad. it would prob be hard to find a single "challenging opinion" that hasn't been aired on ilm at least once over the years.

there's always a dumber take

Everything ever recorded by The Clash is absolute garbage until Cut The Crap

I think we had trouble finding someone who disliked Joy Division in the early ILM days!

Good collection from Australia:

David Gates - The Early Years 1962-1967

Url: https://www.discogs.com/release/9963232-David-Gates-The-Early-Years-1962-1967

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GOHe8uJXwAAxc3_?format=jpg&name=900x900

am i doing this right

most people on this board will agree with you

i've never listened to the chronic. i'm more of a nate dogg fan. i love those other ones though.

i've never listened to doggystyle either. i'm more of a Above The Law kinda person. i do like "gin and juice".

that looks to be an excerpt from the list "boring ass mainstream classics that i don't want to ever hear or hear about ever again ever"

but ya i'd agree with those rankings, generally speaking.

The only one of those albums I've heard front to back is 1989, so I have no idea how I'd rank them, but The Chronic is the one I'd be most likely to listen to, so I guess I'd put that on top.

i do v much appreciate the based controp energy of putting the beatles immediately below all of those because fuck the stupid fucking bratles.

that wasn't a typo, this is the controp thread 8)

xp re slovenly: weird that Thinking Of Empire is missing from spotify as all their other SST albums are up. it might be my favourite of their albums and may have the most appeal for your average indie/post-punk fan?

Thinking of Empire was never released on CD, which probably has something to do with it. Though there was a Saint Vitus album (I want to say the second one, Hallows Victim?) that suddenly appeared on CD a few years ago when Greg realised he could sell a few, I guess?

the band should get the new alliance stuff reissued at least (mostly because “sic/think” is secretly their best song and dammit, what a mood!).

Well, that’s why I did a little shopping around on Discogs a year into the pandemic and got some near-mint copies of their three New Alliance records for pretty reasonable prices (and a not-quite-mint copy of Drive It Home, Abbernathy).

do people actually prefer 1989 (taylor's version) to 1989 or are they just kissing the ring?

David Gates WAY more talented than Dr. Dre.

wrecking crew -vs- world class wreckin cru

hollywood -vs- compton fiiiiiiiite!!!

xp that made me lol, too. it's the worst (Taylor's Version) relative to the original to my ears.

wrecking crew -vs- world class wreckin cru

hollywood -vs- compton fiiiiiiiite!!!

― scott seward, Tuesday, May 21, 2024 10:51 AM (thirty-two minutes ago)

Had to rack my brain but Jimmy Zavala played with both Jeff Skunk Baxter (on RStewart's Tonight I'm Yours) as well as with Dr. Dre on Efil4zaggin.

its a small world after all.

Best of Bread much bester than America's Greatest Hits. America is all glopped up with CSN harmonies, not the Neil whine of the biggest hit. Best of Bread also has that old San Diego Padres typeface that I love. But across both records, so many gentle exhortations to lay down together, I gotta pour out the snifter of Harvey's Bristol Cream and ruin the shag carpet in front of the fireplace and leave for now.

Best of Bread also has that old San Diego Padres typeface that I love

b a d r e

i didn't realize that the guy from the avalanches went on to be in bread (to say nothing of all the other connections). i love learning about shit like that. thanks scott. i will report back if i end up liking bread.

thought being in bread involved how you came into the world

scott you should listen to the chronic

co-sign would watch a first reaction vid