Here's an (actually held) controversial opinion: while I've been into the Silver Jews since I first ran across "The Arizona Record" (filed under Pavement on a rack), and I think they have some terrific records, I also think Berman is significantly overvalued as a lyricist by most fans. He has some good one-liners, but his lyrics tend to be strings of "clever" non-sequiturs that only sometimes land. He's seen as some kind of rock poet.
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:10 (six years ago) link
I feel like the Eagles worm has been turning for years now, but still no one is ready to say the Eagles are good. Until now folks. The Eagles are Pretty Good
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, September 7, 2018 10:03 AM
We have a daily listening thread that'll prove you wrong.
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:16 (six years ago) link
you could make a dud list for most anybody
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
i remember Howard Stern once had a guy on who claimed it was ok to drink your own urine and he did it daily, so they had the guy pee in a cup and drink it to prove it. it was pretty clear he was not very used to drinking his own urine.
― omar little, Friday, 7 September 2018 18:18 (six years ago) link
music is a fine hobbie for kids and teenagers but should be outgrown (outside of casual interest) early in adulthood
― flopson, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
yes
99% of the music criticism on ILM is actually bad sociology
― the late great, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
There's music for adults and music for children/teenagers. Many adults refuse to a) admit this and b) learn the difference.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:23 (six years ago) link
apollonian >>> dionysian
― the late great, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link
xp - rude
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
90% of piano ballads suck
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:38 (six years ago) link
I heard "Take It to the Limit" on the radio last night and man that song sounds great, I'm pro-Eagles now
― crüt, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
This is very, very good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqhYXLVYQJ8
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:45 (six years ago) link
controversial opinion: randy meisner sings "take it to the limit" better than etta james
― crüt, Friday, 7 September 2018 19:47 (six years ago) link
Retro soul covers of rock songs (Charles Bradley's version of Black Sabbath's "Changes" comes immediately to mind) frequently suck, and are mostly championed by people who don't want to be seen liking the original version.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
we definitely need another one of these threads
lots of opinions about people here instead of music what a surprise
― brimstead, Friday, 7 September 2018 20:47 (six years ago) link
*falls off high horse into trough of metallica blackened whiskey*
Probably not controversial, but have just realised that most of the music I don't really get, from The Eagles and Steely Dan through to 80s hardcore punk, yacht rock, hair metal, grunge and most of the US indie music of the last 25 years, it's all straight white American guys with guitars.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:02 (six years ago) link
Kenny G and Chuck Mangione are the two most influential and important jazz artists of the 20th century and it isn't close.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 7 September 2018 21:05 (six years ago) link
Yeah, but only if you consider 'important' and 'influential' to be synonyms.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:07 (six years ago) link
xxp humblebrag much, lol
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:08 (six years ago) link
didn't mean it that way, honest! I listen to a lot of music by straight non-American white guys with guitars for example.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
man i love Steely Dan so much
― brimstead, Friday, 7 September 2018 21:15 (six years ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, September 7, 2018 5:02 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
agreed 100%, but I've known this basically all my life
― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:16 (six years ago) link
three chords and the truth, that's all you really need
― strong deutan (rip van wanko), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:17 (six years ago) link
that's a quote about classic country songwriting, tbf
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:28 (six years ago) link
Joy Division was the best band of all times. In the early days of ILM this was less controversial, I think.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:30 (six years ago) link
what is "yacht rock"
― The Silky Veils of Alfred (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:32 (six years ago) link
http://www.yachtrock.com/yacht-or-nyacht-jay-gradient/
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, 7 September 2018 21:48 (six years ago) link
iirc early ilm was full of very clever ppl saying ian curtis sounded like kermit the frog and that their lyrics were bad. it would prob be hard to find a single "challenging opinion" that hasn't been aired on ilm at least once over the years.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 22:03 (six years ago) link
there's always a dumber take
― guardians of the gums: i am tooth (voodoo chili), Friday, 7 September 2018 22:11 (six years ago) link
Everything ever recorded by The Clash is absolute garbage until Cut The Crap
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 7 September 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
I think we had trouble finding someone who disliked Joy Division in the early ILM days!
― The nexus of the crisis (Sund4r), Friday, 7 September 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link
Jesus Christ, no, that song is an outrage.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
phish are better than the grateful dead
― milkshake duck george bernard shaw (rushomancy), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:43 (six years ago) link
Björk's voice is horrendous
― flappy bird, Friday, 7 September 2018 23:44 (six years ago) link
I'm willing to accept this as long as I don't have to listen to find out.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
Post Malone got tunes, man
― alpine static, Friday, 7 September 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Friday, September 7, 2018 6:44 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this take gains some heat coming from ilm's biggest smashing pumpkins fan
― lowercase (eric), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:51 (six years ago) link
This isn't controversial because I came close to posting the same, or similar, earlier today.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:52 (six years ago) link
yeah that was the implicit preface of xp
― lowercase (eric), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:53 (six years ago) link
every opinion about something being bad is a terrible, boring opinion. is my terrible, boring opinion.
― fuck giving a bear beer (Noodle Vague), Friday, 7 September 2018 23:58 (six years ago) link
Of course.
― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:04 (six years ago) link
There's music for adults and music for children/teenagers. Many adults music critics refuse to a) admit this and b) learn the difference.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, September 7, 2018 3:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
fixed
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:15 (six years ago) link
Robert Christgau has spent most of his life doing something that he isn't particularly good at - while it's admirable that he's had the stamina to listen to so much music over however many decades, it's all been for nothing as far as I'm concerned and a waste of time, particularly his.
Besides, spending time listening to a lot of music you may not like when there's a zillion better things to do is just a no-brainer. For music to be your life at that level after the age of, say, 40 strikes me as incredibly sad.
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:21 (six years ago) link
-"a no-brainer", +"stupid"
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:24 (six years ago) link
Well, he does get paid for it
― stan in the place where you work (morrisp), Saturday, 8 September 2018 00:52 (six years ago) link
hard agree on Xgau, he is a pox on music criticism and culture. Just awful, incomprehensible pretentious nonsense - with a cult like devotion & following. horrible
― flappy bird, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:13 (six years ago) link
― lowercase (eric), Friday, September 7, 2018 7:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I know, and believe me I've tried, I think Björk is awesome and totally amazing as an artist & cultural figure. I just can't get past that voice. Sucks
― flappy bird, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:14 (six years ago) link
Ronnie James Dio was better in Black Sabbath than Ozzy Osbourne.
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:25 (six years ago) link
woah...
― flopson, Saturday, 8 September 2018 06:32 (six years ago) link
House of LvB
― Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 8 September 2024 13:08 (two weeks ago) link
Ludvig vs. Bear
― sawdust lagoon, Sunday, 8 September 2024 13:29 (two weeks ago) link
House of LvB― Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain)
― Charlie Hair (C. Grisso/McCain)
destroy the house of LvB
Historians are pretty sure LvB patronized brothels, which incels don’t even do.― Bad Bairns (Boring, Maryland)
― Bad Bairns (Boring, Maryland)
i mean fair
blah blah blah material conditions
my larger point is that he was basically incapable of forming meaningful interpersonal relationships. we have one letter, possibly unsent and look
if i'd gotten that letter i would work really really hard to avoid the dude
it's "romantic" to me in about the same way "every breath you take" is "romantic"
new proposal, rename the "Romantic Era" to the "Stalker Era"
if you think i'm being too harsh, take a look at what that scumbag motherfucker did to his nephew
absolute garbage human being
good composer tho. too bad he took a decade off from composing to abuse his nephew.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 8 September 2024 15:42 (two weeks ago) link