Yeah, ambient music is almost always worthless
― imago, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:15 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
why? (genuine question)
― groovemaaan, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 17:49 (five years ago) link
wrong thread probably, but oh well
― groovemaaan, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 17:50 (five years ago) link
again, "my kids could do this" who gives a shit?
― marcos, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 17:59 (five years ago) link
i honestly don't care if a "classic ambient master" lol or a stoner or a kid made something if i find it intriguing. can't believe people look to ambient music for mad musician chops
― marcos, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:00 (five years ago) link
I want the music I listen to for leveling out while I smoke a bowl to be composed by someone at least at Steve Howe level!
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:01 (five years ago) link
"I can play Timbaland beats on my CASIO"
Ambient music is ridiculous. It will never be as good as the sound of nature. Like leaves in the wind, the birds and the singing frogs.
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:04 (five years ago) link
better be virtuoso frogs motherfucker
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:06 (five years ago) link
my kid could croak!
wait
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:09 (five years ago) link
I can't imagine, with a finite amount of time to spend on Earth, why anyone would want to own more than 5 ambient albums. I mean, if it's functional music, and the end result--relaxation, I presume--is identical regardless of the artist, why not just listen to Hearts of Space if you need to chill? Why buy 180g vinyl pressings of near-static drones that all sound identical?
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:10 (five years ago) link
tbf, I am not including RDJ, Froese, Roach, Eno, etc here. I could pick any of those out of a crowd (probably because they at least aspire to a level of artistry that distinguishes their music from their many imitators, plus, you know, actual melodies and ideas)
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:14 (five years ago) link
you could easily say the same thing about classic rock. "Why should I own anything more than Houses of the Holy, Boston, Master of Reality, Who's Next, Abbey Road, Aerosmith Rocks, etc."
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:14 (five years ago) link
People like that genre of music in the same way that people like any other genre of music.
And I would assume that few here want to read your bullying strawman characterizations.
― timellison, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:15 (five years ago) link
oh dear I've struck a nerve on the "controversial music opinions" thread
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
there's a world of difference between Oval, Boards of Canada, RDJ, Stars of the Lid, Grouper, etc.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
None of those are what I would consider "ambient" artists at all. Would you? Maybe SotL (who I don't really care for), but not even them, really. I love BoC and Aphex.
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:20 (five years ago) link
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan)
WAZZUP
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:21 (five years ago) link
xp really? diskont94 isn't ambient? what about Wolfgang Voigt?
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, October 2, 2018 2:16 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
So your controversial music opinion is that all albums in a genre you don't like are the same as the worst hypothetical example you can make up?
― Evan, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:23 (five years ago) link
― groovemaaan, Tuesday, October 2, 2018 5:49 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
worthless for me. if you can chill to it then godspeed. it does little-to-nothing for me
― imago, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:28 (five years ago) link
― flappy bird, Tuesday, October 2, 2018 2:23 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
prefer Oval in CD skippy mode. Prefer Voigt in high tension mode (ie Freiland Klaviermusik) or as Mike Ink, though I used to listen to Gas a lot when I couldn't sleep.
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
so did yr roommates apparently
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:35 (five years ago) link
"I enjoy less music than you do" wow congrats
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:42 (five years ago) link
yes, not collecting the synthesizer scraps of every boutique cassette label has really closed me off to a great deal of unforgettable, unique and exemplary music
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:50 (five years ago) link
re walker, i mean i appreciate 30 century man and interviews where he describes his new recording processes but like the drift felt like dental surgery to me...i think when he sampled farts on bisch bosch that kind of says it all
― ritual showdown (Ross), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
It's like none of you have ever read Sturgeon's Law. ("90% of everything is crap.")
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
including all our opinions
― nba jungboy (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
Yes, of course. But why is all that crap released?
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:55 (five years ago) link
wait til you hear the crap that's not released
― nba jungboy (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
something a stoned guy does in an afternoon with a polysynth and some guitar pedals Why buy 180g vinyl pressings of near-static drones that all sound identical? the synthesizer scraps of every boutique cassette label
These are not genuine attempts at actually engaging with music or the people who listen to it.
― timellison, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:58 (five years ago) link
Filled with buzzwords
― timellison, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 18:59 (five years ago) link
lol @ Paul missing the point
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 19:00 (five years ago) link
― grawlix (unperson)
90% of sturgeon's law is crap
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 19:02 (five years ago) link
TS: ambient vs country vs rap.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 19:05 (five years ago) link
go bother Bernie Madoff d00d xxxposts
― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 19:10 (five years ago) link
good one
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 19:16 (five years ago) link
i think country rap, or "hick hop", generally showcases the best of both genres
― rip van wanko, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 19:20 (five years ago) link
I've told my kids that the day I say 'it all sounds the same to me' is the day they're to get the heavy pillow ready.
― Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
imago will like ambient fine in a couple of years if the pattern many of us have experienced holds true (get into left-field extreme metal played by people with bonkers technical chops -> notice that once this music's parameters lose the capacity to shock, it's basically ambient -> succumb)
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:12 (five years ago) link
the sheer breadth of ambient music makes a lot of it shit by default
but could a kid do something as good as an ascent by brian eno, doubtful
― ritual showdown (Ross), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
guys we're not really having the "a kid could do it" discussion. we all understand art better than that. we are not dads in the living room spouting bullshit opinions. we are ilxor. we have to do better. I don't see a whole lot of you stanning for animals as leaders so please stfu with anything about virtuososl barriers to making excellent music
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:21 (five years ago) link
yeah i agree xpost
i was responding to the initial post - i think diminishing a whole genre like ambient or noise is kinda dumb
― ritual showdown (Ross), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:23 (five years ago) link
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi)
relevant link
http://loveallday.com/black-construction-paper-a-mixtape-by-josh-bearman/
― dub pilates (rushomancy), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:24 (five years ago) link
I don't really know what people mean by 'ambient music' tbh.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:26 (five years ago) link
imo ambient is stuff like elaine radigue, aphex twin SAW, lappetites (though some borders on noise), stars of the lid, keith fullerton whitman
usually softer than noise and less abrasive
― ritual showdown (Ross), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link
something a stoned guy does in an afternoon with a polysynth and some guitar pedals Why buy 180g vinyl pressings of near-static drones that all sound identical? the synthesizer scraps of every boutique cassette labelThese are not genuine attempts at actually engaging with music or the people who listen to it.Maybe this is my controversial opinion, but I don't understand why proper ambient lovers would even buy that kind of music on vinyl, let alone cassette? Ambient is all about sound, so the props and cracks of vinyl, or the distortions and general crappy sound you get with cassettes seem pretty antithetical to appreciating that kind of music... Plus having to change sides every 20 to 30 minutes totally kills the immersion. Most ambient music should be listened in digital formats.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:28 (five years ago) link
The Aphex Twin is where I started having problems with the definition of ambient music, because hardly anything he described as ambient fitted with what I thought ambient music was.
― Zach Same (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:30 (five years ago) link
ArtistsÉliane Radigue couldn't even be properly appreciated on record before the digital era, because her best pieces are pauseless 60+ minute drones.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link
"Artists like..."
the noises of your body are part of this record tuomas, this has been known for literally 50 years
― mark s, Tuesday, 2 October 2018 20:32 (five years ago) link